Monday, 8 September 2014

Too Much Arson About


Several dumpsters in the library car park were set alight last night. Apparently the bins were 'well alight' when firefighters arrived from New Malden at about 1.30am.

Smoke still rising earlier today
According to one blog reader, smoke was still rising from the scene at 6am this morning (thanks to another blog reader for the smoking picture - left) and there was still an acrid smell there this afternoon when I took these other pictures.

There seems to have been a spate of arson attacks in the same area over the last few weeks. According to another blog reader, a moterbike engine was set alight only metres from this point a few weeks ago which caused an explosion at 3am and caused a small fire which was put out by local residents. Shortly after this a wheely bin was apparently set alight, also very close by.

Please be vigilant and contact the police if you are aware of anyone who might be doing this. Next time it could by the library or someone's business or home, killing people in the process. These might be the sort of people who will not stop until they're caught so if you can help, please ensure they are caught quickly before something much worse happens.

You can contact the police on 101 or on 0800 555 111 if you wish to remain anonymous. Always call 999 if it is an emergency or a crime is in the midst of happening.


46 COMMENTS (Add Yours Now!):

Litterbug said...

And here's what it looked like before. What would this vision be to any wannabe arsonist?
Our dustmen don't appear to be on strike, so perhaps it is just our Councillors?

Or is this a cut-price version of the threatened incinerator, as a £40 million black hole in Sutton Council's accounts suddenly appeared almost immediately after the local elections? [Maybe they could try filling it with all the trash our Council isn't collecting?]

Gino said...

The Lib leaflets state that their councilors are working for us all year round though. The street cleaners do and so too do the dustmen. There is a constant struggle clearing takeaway waste from our high street ,it is a health hazard .The rubbish bin sites are an attraction for Rats and Foxes . It is time for the Lib left over local councilors to wake up and smell the food.
The oil cans that top up commercial bins in side roads are a hazard as well.

Guest D said...

As this is by the Library that would be commercial waste, that has to be paid for to be taken away. Perhaps, that black hole means that they can't afford to pay themselves to take it away?


Whatever, the reason the local councillors should be ensuring that the appropriate department gets its act together, rather than worrying about bridges in another borough.

AlanRogers1 said...

Just trying to understand some of your points. Is it the position of the bins that makes them an attraction for rats and foxes, or is it the fact that there are bins that you are concerned about? Which Mayor is sure to make a comment?

Litterbug said...

Alan, it is the fact that our Council, directed by our local Lib Dem Councillors are regularly allowing large quantities of waste of all kinds to build up in this area, by reducing the frequency between collections.

Efficient and effective waste disposal is a long established basic community need and in failing to provide this, our Council and Councillors obviously care little for the health and welfare of their constituents. As a direct consequence, this failure is increasingly attracting rats, foxes - and now arsonists.

'The Mayor' is obviously the Mayor of Sutton, Arthur Hookway, who is not only one of the half-dozen failing local Worcester Park area Councillors, but has made much of spending 30 years in the Fire Service and being the Former Borough Commander.

One would have hoped that (of all people), a former fireman with several decades experience would have had the ability to recognise the possible result of a consistent inability to perform basic waste collection and resulting stockpiling of combustible material: Sadly not!

However, rather then admit any personal, councillor and council failings, perhaps he and the other five councillors will follow your lead and simply profess confusion, ignorance and an inability to understand the English language when it is critical of their failings?

Litterbug said...

Indeed Parkerilla, they are recycling bins for the residential properties in the area - not for commercial waste, which Guest D states in error. In fact, some months back, ex-Councillor Kirsty Jerome suggested scrapping them because they were proving successful in providing a central area for waste collection.

The justification obviously made little sense and this prompted a number of replies that asked what alternative solution to efficiently collecting this waste she had in mind - especially for those living in flats. It transpired that she had no alternative in mind and somehow naively assumed that if waste wasn't collected from the area, it simply wouldn't appear at all!

More than one respondent pointed out the obvious: that ceasing an efficient, effective and central waste collection service would inevitably require an alternative, which could only be less centralised and therefore considerably less efficient, less economic and quite possibly less effective.

As one opposition councillor had to point out, if this centralised waste collection point is proving unexpectedly popular with residents, and collections are proving insufficiently regular, surely the answer is to collect the waste more often - not less often?

Happily, ex-councillor Jerome's (to put it mildly) blinkered and poorly considered suggestion was dropped there and then. However, it did indicate that there was a plan to cease collecting waste from this car park area.
- A plan that judging by the more recent, regular build up of waste mountains here, appears to have been covertly implemented.

Perhaps the risk of further arson attacks will be the excuse to claim this central waste collection point isn't working? The answer is simply to prevent waste building up - here or anywhere else in the local wards.

Gino said...

Very well said and thank you ,I was a little apprehensive about my next Fox interview ,they do Rabbit on.

Guest D said...

I apologise for stating it was commercial waste, I should have noticed the colour of the bins in the before photo. But it did look like the sort of waste both in volume and type seen outside a supermarket.


You do make very good points though, and as there looks like little room to increase capacity and as Waitrose is near by, it would make sense to add the emptying of these bins to the Waitrose / Iceland bin emptying cycle, they should have their own recycling bins.

AlanRogers1 said...

What lead? I simply asked for clarification on a couple of points. Thank you for providing that clarification. Please do not assume that if someone asks for some points to be clarified that they have a hidden agenda. Thank you.

AlanRogers1 said...

I genuinely don't understand how that would work Gino. If the bin area was locked though how would people use it?

AlanRogers1 said...

I totally agree with that

Gino said...

Prearranged opening times and or code entry locks ,this is an opportunity for the community to decide what is best ,not Foxes ,Rats and idiots as in fire pests.

Guest D said...

Gino, are you serious! If the recycling area is locked then all that will happen is people will dump their stuff in front of the locked bin store. The rats and foxes you are so worried about will have a field day.
No, the solution is to increase the emptying frequency so the bins don't overflow. It might mean some of the Central Road business get free rubbish collection, but so what, in the main they're struggling.
Or are you planning that council gives everyone the access code after having asked them are you an arsonist? Sounds like a very expensive solution.

AlanRogers1 said...

Sorry, I will probably be accused of deliberately misunderstanding (not by you Gino), but what is a levitation enquiry?

AlanRogers1 said...

There seems to be a consensus regarding the idea of more frequent emptying.

Gino said...

Bin locations need to be made safe secure and acsessable to the people of WP ,not Foxes ,Rats ,fire pests and the look at me I'm saving the environment types driving miles to a free dump site and from outside of WP ,because ?They can.

AlanRogers1 said...

Why would they drive from miles outside of Worcester Park when they are likely to have a recycling point nearer to where they live? Safe and secure yet at the same time accessible to the thousands of people that would legitimately be entitled to use them would be massively costly. Just empty them a bit more often if they are popular, or perhaps you would prefer to follow ex-Councillor Kirsty Jerome suggestion (as detailed by Litterbug) of scrapping them because they were proving successful in providing a central area for waste collection.

Gino said...

It is costly now isn't it. The other sites may be mismanaged . Why bring a Lib con councilor into the issue ,they don't seem to care and are only concerned with finding £40MILLION .

Guest D said...

Most Councils have recycling sites spread around their boroughs, so people are hardly likely to drive miles to get to an overcrowded car park. I certainly don't object to the WPers in LBK or the WPers in Epsom and Ewell using the LBS ones and they are the only ones from outside the borough likely to use them.


It would be far easier and cheaper to make it human proof than fox proof, they can easily jump 8 foot fences, and trying to make it rat proof, well!


No go for the simplest and cheapest solution every time, more frequent emptying of the bins.

Gino said...

Easier ,cheaper and human proof ,beat that one ,classic .
Can't do ,won't do and don't want to in council speak and why should they with payments for failure .

Anonymous said...

Fly tipping is also out of control at this site, the CCTV sign is obviously just a sign. Any way this could be tackled? When the site at the top of Central Road was taken away, was pick-up frequency duly increased here? Please to no overnight pick-ups, residents in Windsor Road don't need more large vehicle noise waking them up!

Gino said...

A very good point.

Gino said...

We are fortunate to have established businesses in WP including the building trade companies and a locksmith . Popular is not always best ,for example ,fires in rubbish bins are popular with numb skulls. I sudgest that when good initiatives like recycling are rolled ,councils should not do things half baked. More use of local skill would also promote responsible local traders.
Unlike the empty shop owners that seem to display their waste ,such as the ex Barn Glass site.

AlanRogers1 said...

Local companies and empty shops are not to do with the recycling point debate. Your ideas for fencing it off, making it secure and trying to restrict it's use to people who live within x miles (which probably already regulates itself anyway) will make it impractical and hard to use. The easy, and probably most cost effective, answer is to empty more frequently.

Gino said...

Easy ,that is where the council goes wrong .
Cost ?
How much does each collection cost?
How much isa police

AlanRogers1 said...

When I said easy I was referring to ease of use for people recycling. It's a recycling point so we want people to use it. If it had a fence round it and it was shut when people arrived to use it we would just end up with a load of stuff dumped outside the fence. You obviously care about this Gino, but in my opinion you ideas on this matter are not practical in any way.

Guest D said...

Alan,


Give up you can't argue with a Stalinist, they know best and that pre-empts democracy.

Gino said...

You forgot the costings .
Nominated key points ,Library or stores and a register of people who want the code. Any tippers £100 fine paid towards maintainance cost.
Your costs ,your solution is?

AlanRogers1 said...

In my opinion your ideas on this don't warrant further meaningful discussion Gino, so I am giving up on this one.

AlanRogers1 said...

I am taking your advice. Thanks for saving me from myself. I was getting too drawn in there!

Gino said...

I thought as much ,you don't even know the cost of rubbish collection .
Or the cost to the tax payer for emergency service attendance .

AlanRogers1 said...

Yes the Worcester Park community does deserve better, but neither you or I are in a position to have much influence. I am however grateful that your ideas, which are often ill thought out and impractical, are confined mainly to this site and not floating around in a council chamber somewhere.

Gino said...

Whatever is floating around in chambers it is costing a fortune and WP is not getting value for money ,your snipe or hype would fit in well and still no costs? Yes you would do just fine.
Everyone has influence .

AlanRogers1 said...

Yawn.

Gino said...

WAKE UP!
Sutton Gaurdian.
Page 7.

AlanRogers1 said...

I don't get the Sutton Guardian Gino. I live in Penge and only travel over to Worcester Park to do my recycling. I noticed on the Sutton Guardian website though that the fire engines came from New Malden. How do you feel about that as New Malden is probably outside the catchment area you would like to impose for this recycling point?

Gino said...

We are grateful once again for another fire brigade attendance . well done to the firefighters of ( Wallington ) fire station.
I did not at any time mention the words catchment or impose,I only stated a fact and still would like to see these sites made safe and secure irrespective of the frequency of collections.
On your next yomp over to WP ,please be sure not to drop any of your rubbish ,OFF OF YOUR TROLLY.
Keep Britain tidy ...and safe.

AlanRogers1 said...

You might not have mentioned a catchment area but you implied it by criticising my suggestion of emptying the bins more frequently as you said it would cause people would bring in recycling from outside Worcester Park.

Anyway Gino, I have re-read your proposals and you make some
persuasive arguments. I now agree with all of your suggestions, particularly with regard to setting an exclusion zone around this recycling point. I know that your rules aren’t in force yet, but in the spirit of neighbourliness I have decided to follow your protocol anyway. I have a few questions though:

What are the opening hours? I was thinking of 3.30pm to 4.45 every alternate Thursday, commencing 18th September 2014.

Is there any provision to arrange for emergency recycling outside the designated hours? Perhaps a 24 hour help line. Of course there would need to be a levy (say 20 quid?) to be allowed into the “area” outside designated hours.

I have relocated and now live in the new flats in the car park at Waitrose. Sorry I have forgotten the name of the block. Can you confirm that I live close enough to recycle at this desirous, nay luxurious, recycling boutique?

I bought some green beans in Waitrose that were grown in Africa. Am I able to recycle the plastic in Worcester Park or should I refer to the Kenyan embassy to find out their recycling arrangements?

A relative has come to stay for a few days. They live in
Basingstoke and bought a can of lager in Cheam. It was opened and drunk in my flat. Where should the can be recycled and is it my responsibility to recycle it or theirs?

If you could let me know the answers to these questions I will happily comply. Apart from these few teething troubles I am getting used to this new regime already. I must say it is much better and will undoubtedly lead to more, and better, recycling.

Thank you.

Guest D said...

Alan,
Why not ask the people manning the guard towers, I'm sure they are fully informed.


To summarise,


LBS installed a recycling point, it has proved very popular and now exceeds the capacity, causing it overflow.


There are three proposed solutions


1) LBS would like to close it completely.
2) Various people have suggested more frequent emptying, though the times at which this occurs will need to be fixed to avoid further noise nuisance to Windsor Road.
3) Security is to be implemented, so limiting its use to the capacity of the site. Gino, please correct this summary if I have got it wrong.


Perhaps the readers of this blog could communicate to LBS their preferred solution.

Gino said...

The site at the Waitrose car park should be open during store opening times ,local people could obtain a key from the council .
There are also as we know plenty of sites at supermarkets elsewhere ,they tend to have less incidents because they are in more prominent locations.
Anyone that notices rubbish surrounding over filled bins should contact the council and request an emergency collection .
We are responsible for our own waste and have duty to report hazards.

Dave said...

It is NOT the "Waitrose" car park.
As a sometime prospective councillor you should know that it is the LBS Stone Place car park.
Please desist from giving Waitrose credit for something for which they pay nothing, beyond the advertising fee for the prominent and highly misleading banners in Central Road.

Gino said...

Yes I do know and you make a fair point .
I made the comment as a point of reference ,we often hear people do the same when out and about in WP .
I parked in the pub car park today ,of course pub is short for public or was it the pub that we can't give the name of.
I will use all the English words that i choose with freedom including the W word .

Anonymous said...

£100k pocket park is being pushed through planning at this site. It is strange the encouragement of idlers at night to sit in this area prone to fire setting! Of course there are other reasons that make this pocket park proposal a ridiculous idea that no one at the Council is listening to at the moment, but here is another.

tina said...

another fire just occured around 2 am, tonight, sunday in waitrose carpark... fire fighters and police are all around . It is really scary after all these recent fire incidents to think what can be the next target. Waitrose carpark is filled with smoke

Windsor Road said...

This area has become a total nightmare for the local residents. All night vehicle noise, traffic directed on to the surrounding residential streets, ever extending supermarket opening times, mountains of rubbish, pocket park proposal encouraging more noise and littler, frequent fires...LBS and local ward councillors help local residents regain the peace and security of their homes...this was a residential area before a commercial area.

Gino said...

This is a disgrace and should not be allowed to happen.
One of the problems is that until the Lib Con council learn ,they will need to learn to listen to people like you.
Address distress ,L B S !

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