Monday, 1 September 2014

Plaice Loses it Sole As Business Flounders


If you managed to secure yourself a fish supper from Kingfish this last week, be glad as you were one of the last few who did. Unfortunately the bailiffs have today taken possession of this Worcester Park landmark so from tonight the restaurant, complete with tables set up ready for dining customers, lies dark, empty and closed.

I spoke to two ladies outside the shop who were shocked to find it closed as they had planed to buy their dinner from there. They instead had to make the trek up to Ocean fish bar at the top of the hill.

For others planning to enjoy fish and chips tonight or in the near future, please remember that unfortunately the local choices no longer include Kingfish.

Whatever happened the blog wishes the owners and staff of Kingfish well.


80 COMMENTS (Add Yours Now!):

guest said...

Would be nice to see a superfish franchisee take over. It's a great venue for an eat-in chippy.

Nichu said...

Very sad to hear this. I will miss the owner's jokes, it was always fun to visit. It was where we bought our first meal on moving to Worcester Park.
Has anyone told Starbucks?

June said...

Im not surprised the quality of the food is 100 times better at Ocean

Joanna Ioannou said...

If your looking for fish and chips go and visit The Manor Chippy on manor drive north near the school richard chaloner.....awesome food and fab staff!

Whit chick said...

What a shame. The owner was so lovely and my four year old twins will miss thief visits there.

Velox said...

Your right! Plenty of parking, no traffic. Oh no, wait...

The Dutchman said...

I, and I'm sure most of the local community, am looking forward to it remaining empty and run-down as any potential increase in traffic from a new venture will prevent it from opening.

guest said...

Not sure I follow your logic there!?


Why would that matter if the current local chippy were to be replaced with another? I very much doubt it was the lack of parking or the levels of traffic that lead to the downfall of the incumbent. Lowering standards and increased competition are more likely.

Roger said...

The Ocean always has been a far better fish shop with always food cooked while you wait, fresh and hot.

Velox said...

You are right about the probably reasons for their demise but you have to admit its in a pretty bad place to just jump out of your car & grab some chips. Only nearby parking is in poundland which is nearly always full. I found it much easier just to use Ocean with the nearby parking bays on both sides of central road, plus two nearby roads with parking & the Sainsburys carpark.

Guest D said...

Guest :- I would have thought it particularly important if you are talking about a fish restaurant rather than a chippy. For a chippy it's a good location, lots of passing trade but the plaice? is too big. For a fish restaurant you need either a thriving restaurant district or good parking to bring the customers in.


Sad to see any business fail though as it will mean yet another boarded up shop as an advert not to set up business here.

Andrew (the former WP Blogger) said...

They were stealing fish and chips? No wonder it went bust. ;-)

Guest said...

It's a shame to see this business go: the owner/manager was a very pleasant guy.

I'm not sure what there is to gain by (at an alarmingly early stage), writing off this location as a lost cause. This corner unit location is highly visible and the building design particularly inviting with the wide front door and large window area. I suspect this particular location won't be empty for long.

Spud said...

Must admit I've always gone to the Ocean. The food is fresh, they never cook to much in advance and they make a great batter for the fish.

chrism said...

I may be dyslexic but Kingfish has always been a load of Carp . Long live Oecan Fish Bra.

Bailey said...

Ocean fish is nasty expensive smelly fishy

Aida said...

i must say, i didn't sea this happening! I thought that the company weren't making money, but didnt think it was of this scale. I gill make sure I eat more fish!

Gino said...

Did they have pet Seagulls ?

Bob said...

Terrible shame. I live in Cheam and used to get my fish and chips here as it was far better than the overpriced greasy soggy rubbish they sold in my local. Plus it had the added advantage that the staff were cheerful and actually engaged their customers rather than sulky at the back and ignoring them.

James said...

So, if you come out of the station and look ahead you'll see a pub closed down, if you turn right you see a row of 4 shops (2 of which are closed), if you look further ahead you'll now see Kingfish closed and just beyond that the recruitment place shut. What are we going to do about it?


From what I can see on the train in the mornings, there are LOADS of potential customers for shops on our high street. There is money in the area too as it is not cheap to live in WP! What are the council going to do to advertise WP as a great location for business. All we get is someone moving into a unit, sticking a mars bar on a shelf and calling itself a shop only to shut quickly because no one will go in as it's rubbish. We need to attract committed businesses. There is a screamingly obvious opportunity for a decent coffee/sandwich shop. Why can't the council think of the High Street as a shopping mall. When you design a shopping mall, you have an 'anchor' store like M&S or a department store to get footfall, and then other business open up around it to benefit from the increased footfall. I'm not suggesting M&S and John Lewis open, but just something that is exciting.


From what I can see, the council just blame an ugly building 2 miles down the road and no parking which if we're talking about a local high street shouldn't be a massive deal breaker. Northcote Road in Clapham Junction has a lot worse parking that WP and they do pretty well. OK, they have a slightly different demographic but think about Surbiton which is a closer match. What are they doing differently?


The one good thing is the Soft Play opening on the high street which will hopefully attract people.


Sorry for a rant, but we need to think big.

WP newbie said...

Plus they all close at 5.30, all the businesses would benefit staying opening just 30minutes more. At least 2 other trains unload another ant trail of commuters between these times. I've lost count of times I've raced to WHSMith or Boots only to find it closed!

Gino said...

I have made several attempts to speak with Peerless holdings in Ealing ,on behalf of my sister who may be interested in the shop ,seems there is no urgency ,perhaps I should ask for new double glazing to prompt a reply .

gerald said...

I too am sad to see this go, and especially liked the owner. However, the score on the doors rating surprised me and couldn't have done it much good. Combined with the fact that whilst their fish and chips was good, it was not very good. I second the comment about Manor Chippy in Malden Manor - their fish and chips is excellent, staff all very friendly, and the place is spotless!! The person used run Blue Chip in North Cheam up to about 15 years ago, and that was excellent too. Plenty of parking - you can use the station car park if necessary.

I'm still sorry to see the demise of Kingfish though, even if i havent used it for a few years and wish the owners all the best.

ChrisG said...

Agreed, I try to support local shops but I can't always get home by 5.30. I think they'd be plenty of customers for places that opened an extra half hour.

MS said...

I would love to see some new 'good' shops open on Worcester Park High street. It 's a great commuter town that should look and feel much much better! Even New Malden High street has better shops! I Wish someone would approach the big businesses to turn the high street around there is SO much potential here!

Guest said...

WP newbie/ChrisG, what if your own employer announced that as from now, you have to stay an extra 30 minutes at work, every day, just in case a client/customer/colleague 'might' wish to contact you, 30 minutes after closing time?

Guest D said...

Guest, that wouldn't happen, the employer would have to negotiate with the staff to work longer hours and vary their contracts or get in extra staff. Deal with the myriad of working time and lone working regulations. I would be certain that the shop managers have analysed their trade patterns and if they found that a large chunk of the sales were in the last half hour they would have tried a late evening to see if that improved turnover.


It can work, in the late 60s I was running a pop up Christmas Book shop for the father of a friend of mine. I noticed that a large chunk of the trade was in the last hour 5:00-6:00 so I suggested that we stayed open late on a Friday and Saturday to 7:00. He got an extra £100 of trade and I got a £5 bonus (about 3/4 of a weeks wage)


But I think that WP's problems are more to do with a tiny catchment and a busy road running right through the shopping area.

The Dutchman said...

I know, if only there was a large multinational supermarket chain with car park to draw people to the area.

Davian said...

Ideal place for a Mosque, that.

WP newbie said...

At least the yellow stationary shop gets my trade after 5.30, plus can't go wrong with a sheet of wrapping paper for 50p!

Guest said...

Guest D, it is unrealistic to assume that in today's high street, local traders are having their opening hours and operations dictated to them, by their staff. This may have been the case in the TU dominant days of the late 1960s that you remember fondly, but those days are long gone. (As are the vast majority of those businesses and their owners, who were held hostage by their employees).

I suspect you enthusiastically looked into my comment far too deeply, without appreciating the simple point: that both traders and their employees have needs no different to the rest of us! They have homes to run, families, responsibilities. They have to find time to do their own shopping and an entitlement to a social life outside of the day job. It seems WPnewbie and ChrisG had not considered this aspect.

I doubt high street workers losing an extra several hours of their lives per week will be adequately compensated by the odd extra 50p impulse sale! [From that very rare commuter alighting at the station, who isn't briskly walking their way through a set routine, without any intention of making a high street pit stop!]

Guest D said...

It's not a case of the employers being held hostage by their employees but the legislative framework, which restricts what the chains can do and it was shops such as Boots and WH Smiths that were singled out as closing early. And I'm sure that they have taken their decision from a purely business perspective, that the extra trade gained would not compensate them for the extra costs.


By the 60s the days of Trade Union dominance were already seeing an end and we are talking about the retail trade here, where the trades unions at that time had little or no influence retail being hardly unionised, due to the fact it was mainly family run businesses. In fact USDAW only started to grow about 10 years ago and has grown by about 20% in the last 5 years mainly because Tesco has encouraged membership.


It's not unions that are stopping shops opening late but the fact that shops like WH Smiths and Boots would probably lose money on it. If they thought they could make money they would find a way of doing it, just as they found a way of opening on a Sunday against intense worker disapproval.

Gino said...

The result of some people voting for more of the same or not bothering to vote at all . Let's hope for the good of the nation that at the general election time people will realise that with the increased government borrowing and waste we are in the fast lane to EU dependence ,reform is not a long term solution or a guarantee ,merely short termism . Our high Street is the epitome of the way our country is going .

Another WP resident said...

It seems 'the unqualified six' were spending £2+ million (£2.4 million according to the Guardian) not how Worcester Park needed it spent, but how Waitrose wanted it spent.

The single car park exit has screwed up trader deliveries and resident access for everyone - except Waitrose, who never use the lower car park exit. [Because they have a purpose built delivery area at the top end]. When challenged, the 'unqualified six' standard response was "Waitrose are happy with the arrangements".
Well, yes, of course Waitrose are happy! Because you've just completely screwed their competitors and everyone's access to all their competitors!

Sutton Council claim the HGVs don't arrive at Stone Place car park until 7am. By now, surely everyone in KT4 knows Waitrose HGVs start arriving at 5am. [The word 'Waitrose' on the front, rear and both sides of the HGVs is a bit of a giveaway]. When challenged about existing bylaws to prevent this happening, the first 'unqualified six' response was to simply deny it was happening.
The second response was "We've consulted Waitrose and they are happy with arrangements".
Well of course they're happy! That's just the point! You're letting them ignore bylaws and letting them treat our residential town as if it were an industrial estate!

And most recently, there's the plan to convert part of the car park near the library into a garden, which will cost Sutton Council (in other words, "us"), the greater part of £100,000! Waitrose figure it would be a really nice for their staff to have a garden to sit and smoke in, as opposed to standing at their delivery area to have a fag. So nearly 100K of public money is being utilised to provide Waitrose with a private garden?

"Well, it's not just for Waitrose, anyone can use the garden." (conveniently close to Waitrose). So 'anyone' will be any traders still in business and any shoppers who can still access the car park and still find a car park place? "
We've consulted Waitrose and they are happy with arrangements". Yes, with 100K of our money diverted to provide them with a convenient recreational garden, I bet they are!

'The Waitrose Party' appear to be making all the key decisions in Worcester Park!

Big ideas needed said...

Local thriving high streets are not dominated by a monopoly like WP and North Cheam. Northcote Road and around, Cheam Village, New Malden have complementary anchor stores that draw customers to the surrounding smaller businesses, with no dominant supermarket offering total services like WP and North Cheam. Surbiton I do not know. Unfortunately the location of Sainsbury and Waitrose in WP and North Cheam draw people in their car parks and shop only. No one is stepping out of the supermarket bubble. Why would you? Smaller express supermarkets work well with local high streets, I think this is what WP and North Cheam need.
Yes, Waitrose signs and presence are all dominating in WP. It's a shame that flags along the high street do not advertise other WP businesses.
Also the ever increasing traffic queues does not provide a browsing cafe etc culture. WP and North Cheam are no at all inviting for relaxing spending.
£2.4m plant beds and paint have failed to revitalise WP and North Cheam, a big shake-up is needed. Otherwise keep the supermarkets and swap the high street for residential opportunities!

Guest said...

"Otherwise keep the supermarkets and swap the high street for residential opportunities!"
This is exactly what Waitrose wants and this exactly the unspoken agenda that at least most of the last six councillors gave Waitrose on a 2 million quid plate.

If the current six continue as before (and there is absolutely no sign at all that pre-dawn HGV deliveries will stop and the one-way car park will be scrapped), then Worcester Park will fast become a monopoly, which may as well be renamed 'Waitrose Park'.

Gino said...

I wonder ,who benefits from long term derelict shops and the vacant accommodation above them ?

Another another WP resident said...

This month bring Click and Collect everything you need from us, AKA Waitrose progressively killing WP trade. How many shops will have to close until Sutton Councillors will start acting in a way that aims to save WP high street?

Dave said...

Well, the large "Waitrose" banners, with a white 'P' in a blue square below the shop's name, prominent on Central Road, must give visitors the impression that Waitrose own the LBS Stone Place car park. Neat bit of marketing, at little cost.


I'm no great fan of Waitrose but, when I ask for something I can't find, the staff are invariably helpful - none of that "if it ain't on the shelf we ain't goddit" or "there's no demand" nonsense I've so often had from small shops.

Gino said...

Vote the Lib MP for LBS out next year ,that will be a significant start.

Guest said...

Yes Dave, the Waitrose staff are very nice. But you failed to mention the key purpose of each polite exchange you have enjoyed:- My guess is that almost every conversation ended with you handing over a sum of money?

The process is called "grooming".

Take away the other shops in the high street and my other guess is that the prices in Waitrose will rise. There won't be as much need for the politeness either.
[Just one example:- I have noticed how the refrigerated desserts are at least 10% more expensive in the Cheam Waitrose than they are in Worcester Park, typically £4.39 as opposed to £3.99.
It's not because Waitrose are being especially nice to KT4 residents, but because there is (for now) some degree of competition in our high street, which Waitrose would like to see gone, so the prices and profits can rise].

Meanwhile, no doubt the new local councillors have been very politely lead around Waitrose (by the nose).

Weak local politics said...

All very well saying vote out the Lib Dems Gino, but the local Conservatives had virtually no local campaign to vote for this May. The upshot being people voted for the devil they knew, instead of a nebulous devil that the Tories were. So far I have had two Lib Dem circulars since May come through my door, nothing from the Tories. So make yourself constantly visible not just during election lead-up and get yourself a campaign, and people might vote.

Guest said...

There is also the fact that Waitrose staff are owners of the business it is a collective and so benefit directly from sale, so it pays not to be surly.


If Waitrose were to get to a monopoly situation i.e. Sainsburys WP and Sainsburys North Cheam and Iceland closed yes prices would rise, but is that likely to happen?


They are not worried by the competition from the local independents their economies of scale and purchasing power mean they can always undercut them and still make a significant profit.


What has them really frightened is the thought that Amazon may carry through their plans to move into Grocery and Frozen foods now they have a distribution company, as they don't have the retail outlet costs.


If that happens, in 20 years Waitrose will be a click and collect centre for Amazon and the High Street will just have nail bars, charity shops.and a soft play centre.

Waitrose Park business plan said...

Waitrose Park...well let's call a spade a spade and stop pretending we are trying to boost the high street with £2.4m benches and unmaintained flowers and plants.

Oh dear! said...

Not even weak politics...Gino I think politics full-stop is not in your skill set...weak politics is one thing, now you have swapped to a party that has only just written a manifesto and have no strategy on how they are going to implement any of the so called policies they state. So now you are in the proactive UKIP what are you going to save our local high street?

Bin Overload said...

You forgot all those **dding litter bins! You know, the endless repetition of pairs of the things, that they cluttered up the high street with, whilst claiming to "de-clutter" the high street!

[Was this Sutton Outer London Fund concept taking the litter or taking something else out of us?] One puff of wind and the bins fall over - a bit like a spineless councillor who is out of time, ideas and excuses. If anything, THEY needed chucking in a non-recyclable litter bin!
Including, of course, the duplicated bins for recycled litter, which our 'gang of six' knew all along wasn't being recycled - but spent the money anyway - and now they mix the recyclable waste we sort out with all the other waste and send it all, together, to landfill!

Was the Sutton OLF team recruited from Sutton Council's most incompetent employees? Because one quick look at the high street suggests so - and a longer look confirms it!

Gino said...

I think that politics is in everyone's skill set ,it is only that until recently it has been in the grip of the same old preserve.
I would like to think that polical research is in your skill set ,however it seems to be left wanting . The high Street ? For now more of the same.

Oh dear oh dear said...

My research is not left wanting at all, but it seems like you are left vacant for answers regarding my question.

Gino said...

The first thing I would like to see is more unlimited parking bays in the high street and a longer time limit in the main car park at weekends. A reduction of the business rates and a full meeting of (all landlords) including those of vacant shops .

Guest D said...

Gino, whereas I agree with you that a reduction in business rates is called for and about the only thing that will be effective at reviving the high street. Extending the parking time lengths would just reduce the availability of parking.


Perhaps to keep the anti Waitrose lobby happy it's lease on Stone Place should be terminated, the building demolished and the land restored to car parking :-) (not a serious suggestion, before hackles get raised.)


It is a shame that the £2 million of our money that Boris gave back couldn't have been used to reduce the business rates, but that's politics..

Gino said...

As you are aware ,parking is one of the issues and although you choose to mock any ideas I take it you don't have any solution ,also you have not commented about bringing some landlords to explain their intentions . I would expect this response from a member of any failing council or a satisfied landlord.

Nichu said...

I love Waitrose. The prices being higher in the Cheam store aren't about lack of competition, it's just that the 'local' versions of supermarkets charge more for the same goods, a bit like at Tesco petrol stations. I have bought lots of things from various shops from our high street but well over 90% of my spend is in waitrose. And I walk there (polishes halo).

Nichu said...

Unlimited parking bays? So commuters can drop their cars off on the high street and then swan off to London? Brilliant.

Guest D said...

Gino, I will also agree that the Landlords need to be part of the solution as they are indeed part of the problem, in that they are expecting to get the same or increased rent on their properties.


I assure you I'm not mocking your ideas, indeed though we have political differences I will always support good ideas and here I think your ideas are basically good. I am however mocking the idea that all of WP's problems are down to Waitrose and magically if they go, all will be rosy.


I don't have any solutions and I will go further I don't think there are any. If you look at London's successful shopping areas Chapel Street in Islington, Wentworth St/Middlesex St (Petticoat Lane) in Spitalfields and Northcote Rd in Battersea, and others they are all large, old (150 years plus of trading) and pedestrianised and because of that they attract custom, even though they all have non existent parking, it's the sheer variety of outlets that attract.


We can't pedestrianise Central Rd, it's the only route through the town, we can't increase its size either, so reducing the costs to independent businesses seems the only solution. Also we have Sutton, Croydon and Kingston on our doorstep that offer a far better shopping experience.

Gino said...

Shock horror ,people may come from outside or WP .
Commuters park in side roads all day .
More free parking and people can choose ,freedom ! Better to feed the swans than the council . Free parking at the station too will help ,time to stop ducking this issue .

Gino said...

There is always a solution ,first you need the will ,I'm not blaming Wait rose . You will only attract variety when the conditions allow ,get the vacant properties and encourage start ups with discounts on rent and rates. Any shop empty for six months should be highly taxed for the loss to other traders.

Guest D said...

The only part of that I will disagree with is that there is always a solution, some problems are intractable.


I'm a little concerned at charging the landlords a high rate on business premises empty for more than 6 months, what if they just can't let them at any rent?


I'm also not sure of the feasibility of some of these ideas as the local council are not given any latitude in what they charge for business rates, as though they collect the monies it all goes to Central Government, though the Lyons Report 2007 did suggest returning that power to the local council. If council were allowed to keep it it would be in their interest to drive up the amount they collect.

Gino said...

Where a retail landlord fails to attract a tenant or buyer after six months a higher rate of tax should be paid to the council so that it can allocate the property to a start up ,rather than tax benefits and equity growth advantages gained at the detrimental cost to the community . An appeal for an extension can be made to the council supported by proof that the landlord is not hoarding the property .The same can apply to dwellings above shops ,not doing anything with it ? The council will rent it out and save on tempary housing costs .

Shop local said...

"I'm a little concerned at charging the landlords a high rate on business premises empty for more than 6 months, what if they just can't let them at any rent?"

Easy, they have three options:

1. Drop the rent to a price that does attract a new business
- that'll help the local economy and 1 new local business.
2. Sell the freehold to someone who has the willingness and ability to attract a business to the premises
- that'll help the local economy and 2 local businesses (new freeholder and new tenant).
3. (As suggested above), be heavily taxed for incurring an empty unit, which is so detrimental to the local economy.
- that won't help the local economy, but it will cost the freeholder and at least the extra tax will help contribute to repaying the Treasury's debts.

Take the empty Drury & Cole shop, for example. What would you rather have?
1. A new leaseholder with 1 business there.
2. A new freeholder and new leaseholder, with 2 new businesses there.
3. The Drury and Cole shop rotting away as it is now, and costing the lazy landlord a fortune for letting this happen.

Or allowing the current situation to continue forever more: the building rotting away, looking ugly and having a visibly detrimental impact on the whole high street? And the freeholder being allowed by Sutton Council not to give a damn!

Guest D said...

Okay let's analyse your plans.


I'm planning on renting my property to a retailer at £1000 a week the property has been empty for 6 months, the deal is about to be signed.


The Gino Deal is announced, the tenant says hold on you are going to have to pay £500 in Gino tax, I'll only take it off your hands for £600 a week rent.


What as the freeholder can I do, ah the best solution is to sell the freehold, but not to another letter it would have no value because of the Gino Law, but to a property developer to convert into flats and we end up with less retail units.


A principle of business is that both sides of the deal have to get something out of it and a principle of law making is examine it for unexpected consequences.


As I've said before I'm in favour of Gino's proposals, but I think his high tax could have just the opposite effect from the one planned.

Guest D said...

Gino, thanks for the explanation that looks a better solution as the freeholder has a chance to prove they are in a situation beyond their control. Councils already have the power to charge higher council tax on domestic properties that are empty and are not undergoing remedial works and I know that Islington is using those against offshore buy to let speculators, but with little effect. It did seem a little Socialist and anti capitalist for you.


However, there is still the issue that they can't vary business rates.

Dave said...

Guest, you completely ignore my point that, in so many smaller shops the staff / owners are unhelpful - they 'should' say "I can get that for you by tomorrow", but mostly they don't, so I go elsewhere and never return. They are the ones who should be doing the 'grooming' . They can forget the recent 'key' nonsense - that went straight into the recycling box!

As for your "other guess .. that the prices in Waitrose will rise", that is pure nonsense. Waitrose prices in Worcester Park are exactly the same as on their Website, and I don't see how that could change (On the few occasions I have shopped at their mini store in Cheam Village there was no difference in price).

My solution is simple - check supermarket prices on their Websites - 'play them at their own game'. I am certainly not a regular shopper in Waitrose, for that very reason.



As for shopping locally, I am not going to be dictated to by the pseudo-politicians, would-be Councillors, who dominate this blog. The world has changed and shopping habits have changed forever. If only specialist shops and eateries survive locally, so be it - frankly I don't care and don't respond favourably to being told that I 'should'.

Guest D said...

Dave, in the new Laissez Faire WP you are free to shop wherever you want, by any means you want as long as it suits the local politicians' agenda.

Gino said...

I want to see businesses thrive and jobs created that pay well.
Simply fine failing landlords with six monthly increments ,the aim is to insentify action . Many failing landlords live elsewhere or they are asset mismanagement companies ,run by those clever accountants ?
We must stop rewarding failure .

Gino said...

Did you notice in your example that rent was driven down and that competition is encouraged not cartel.
If you are offered less than the rent you want chances are guess what? They are too high ,thus the property was vacant in the first place,which ever way you cut it there would be action .

Guest D said...

Gino, The rent was agreed and then dropped to an unsustainable value. For the landlord there are costs as well, he will have loans on the building taken out to purchase it and he has to service those. The lessee was put in a situation that he could make the deal non sustainable for the Landlord forcing him to go for change of use to housing.


Yes the laws of supply and demand would hold, at the moment there is a huge amount of empty retail units available, so you would expect rents to fall in response. That they are not being taken up suggest that either Landlords are not dropping the rent, that they though empty, are still leased and so can't be re-let without the landlord buying out the lease (which would be stupid), or they have dropped the rent to the minimum they can afford and there still is no demand.


All this just leads me to believe that the internet has made such a change to the small independent trader that the High Street will never return to it's 50's and 60's glory.


But at least you are making constructive well thought out suggestions.

Gino said...

There is always a way ,if what you say were true and we believed the internet promoters ,traders would not bother.
The truth is there is abuse of the tax system and inaction by those that we pay to deal with issues. The result ,a trickle down to high streets where start ups are deterred and housing left empty.
The 50's and 60' were a time when enthusiasm flourished on the high because there was always something original . More people work from home and that is usually near a high street ,schools ?Near a high Street etc. Time to break the mould and stamp on the excuses for failure .
If a landlord can't afford the property someone else can.

Guest D said...

King Cnut the Great demonstrated their are some powers that are beyond control, just as he demonstrated that the sea (eg God) was more powerful than he a King. The internet is demonstrating that it is more powerful than Politicians, just as before it the car demonstrated that it is more powerful than the train.


Technology advances, society changes, you can accept it or worship King Ludd.

Gino said...

I only except that freedom of choice is essentially what people desire . What time is your next lecture? People drive technology and the customer is King. I worship freedom and the screen is not my god.
Mind that lamp post.

Guest D said...

Gino, you don't get it, freedom of choice is there, but it is what the majority chose that drives society forward. People chose VHS so Betamax died, then chose DVDs so video died. They chose electronic cameras so Kodak died. In the 60s the three biggest computer companies were IBM, DEC and HP, IBM became primarily a software company, DEC had their key staff stolen by Microsoft and were swallowed by HP, who did innovate, developing the Diode Array, the Bubble Jet and Laser printers. Technology creates freedom of choice, but then the peoples' choices will again limit it as the top technology will win as it becomes the cheapest solution.


No solution has a God given right to exist, it's the market that will decide in a Capitalist economy, unless Governments subsidise it to keep it in business. That's why I think the High street is dead, society has already made its choice.

Gino said...

How much are you asking for your vacant shop? Don't beat about the bush.

Anne said...

I think if we had Next in Central Road that would attract people they have a good range of clothes for all ages of men woman and children. Also Starbucks on the corner in the Kingfish building or Bank Chambers, I know we have a Costa but these two chains operate in many places on the same street and are always busy. I personally prefer Starbucks so would love them to open up in WP. We do not need anymore fast food shops, hairdressers or salons. Holland and Barratt would be another good one to have. We do practically all our shopping in Central Road using a huge number of the shops as well as Waitrose. Luckily we can walk to the shops so is ideal for us.

Anne said...

I forgot to add we also eat regulary at The Brook which now does great food....we recently had the Sunday lunch...wow was fantastic.

Guest D said...

Gino, we are both guessing about the future, I sincerely hope you mange to turn around the High Street, but I still think in 10 years it will only be those shops that you need to take your body (Nail bars, Hairdressers, Opticians and Bespoke Tailors) and those where you want the items in a few minutes, fast food and coffee shops that survive.


Let's reconvene this in say 5 years.

guest said...

I thought the El Janet [sic] shop was being repurposed as a soft play centre. The WPRA newsletter suggests it will be an American-style diner. Not sure if this true but an "American Way" in WP would be a boost imho. Great for kids both young and old 😉

Jeff said...

Worcester Park shoppers vote with their feet and if they prefer to go to Waitrose or Iceland or Sainsbury, rather than a traditional High Street butcher or greengrocer, nobody has the right to gainsay their decision. That's their democratic choice. Some people here seem to want to force us to abandon Waitrose which they would like to close and direct us back to 1960s-style High Street shopping. Many small traders in WP and else where seem to think the world owes them a living, they don't seem to understand the economy runs on competition, free enterprise and freedom of choice.

Stewart Mackay Conservative WP said...

Be-Jesus Si ... How puns can you put into a head line ;) good to see WP getting on well.

Guest D said...

Good point Stewart, he would have done well as script writer on ISRTA (I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again) a 60's radio show that specialised in atrocious puns. Hope your doing well.

AlanRogers1 said...

Too Much Arson About was a good headline too. I loved I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again. The Dez O'Connor Dirty Song Book is something I always remember.

Guest said...

I agree; Starbucks on the corner would be a good fit. I too would love a 'Next Local' if there was such a thing. The local/metro business model has proven a success for the supermarkets and I hope it's not too long until the clothing retail giants catch on. I know there are those out there that will bleat on about the independent retailers but if that's what local populous really want, why aren't they thriving already?

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