Thursday, 8 May 2014

Meet The Candidates (Ukip)

I emailed both the Kingston and Sutton branches of Ukip with the same request I have sent to other parties asking them to submit their copy by 10am this morning.

At 10am, having received nothing I decided to follow up with a phone call and to offer a possible extension. The chap I spoke to at Kingston was very pleasant but said they were not dealing with the media and were concentrating of leafleting people instead. He said I had saved him an email as he was going to email me later on today to explain why they didn't want to take part.

Regarding Sutton, I had emailed my request to two of the email addresses on this page. When I finally managed to track down a telephone number for a person, I had a long chat with said person, explaining the situation and asking him to chase up the people I had sent emails to. This afternoon I received back an email from him saying they do not know anything about the email I sent them. He said he has spoken with Howard and Han-Ley (Ukip candidates in Nonsuch and Worcester Park wards respectively) and given the short time span they regret that they cannot comply with the request. (I had extended the deadline to 6pm this evening.)

He did however ask me to post the following short statement instead:
“UKIP in the London Borough of Sutton have been asked to provide a biography and the answer or opinion on 6 questions or local issues concerning the residents in Worcester Park. Unfortunately, for reasons that are unclear the email request setting out a date and deadline came and went without us ever becoming aware of it. Our local manifesto, can be found here http://www.ukipsuttonandcheam.co.uk/ukiplocal.html. 
After the racist assault conviction of Councillor Stephen Fenwick, UKIP in Sutton were keen to stand our bright,  young  local candidate, Han-Ley Tang against him in Worcester Park ward. Thankfully Councillor Fenwick is not seeking re-election thus sparing the electorate the job of sorting out his suitability. 
Our candidate in Nonsuch ward, Howard Cowley,  is a retired maritime engineer who lives with his Thai wife locally and has done so for many years. 
It is with regret that neither Howard nor Han-Ley were available at short notice to try and respond in the few hours available to them. 
All UKIP candidates live in the borough and many actually live in the ward they seek to represent.”

77 COMMENTS (Add Yours Now!):

Gino said...

Oh dear , a bit of a no show then ,and here am I waiting still waiting to know what they have in store to help the community while organizing the referendum ,not getting the local message over due to lack of time makes me wonder ,do they feel it is not important enough?
If they don't get their act together locally ,before they know it 2017 will be here and guess what? Then there is a referendum!
There are those that watch things happen ,those that make things happen and there are those that ask ,what the .. UKIP did happen?
The community thank goodness are awake , UKIP if you have to. S

Jeff said...

The UKIP statement tells us that they were keen to field Han-Ley Tang as their local candidate because former LibDem Councillor Stephen Fenwick was convicted of a so-called 'racist' attack. Seems a strange reason to choose a person as a local candidate. In the next line they're falling over themselves to tell us that UKIP candidate Howard Cowley has a Thai wife. As if that's a reason we should vote for him.
I'm confused - I thought that UKIP wanted to change the open-floodgate immigration policy of successive UK governments since the last War. Now they want to be seen as immigrant-friendly as possible. They want to be all things to all people. An impossibility.
The real reason not to vote UKIP is: Look around you at what's happening in the world today - this is no time to become a small country. By leaving Europe we would be more at the mercy of the big power blocs in the world: the U.S., Russia, China, India, United Europe etc. In any conflict of interests big power blocs always win over small countries. The suggestion that we would gain MORE independence is nonsense, in such a conflict of interests we would have ZERO independence. We would have to do what they tell us and that's that.
I intend to use my vote to create maximum effect - I'm not going to vote for any of them. Only when everybody stops voting will politicians get the message: "We've rumbled you - you're all crooks, perverts and con men."
Democracy has failed us miserably - what we need is a benevolent dictator. Someone like Juan Peron of Argentina who served his people so well that 40 years after his death they still worship him.

Gino said...

Jeff ,I am concerned about the possibility of a no vote.
Firstly I am well aware of the sacrifice made in order to liberate the Falklands from Argentina when we reminded the world of how we can make good. For many months all Conservative candidates and many volunteers have worked on the residents survey ,we are most grateful to all that took part. The feed back is now an integral contribution towards what we want to achieve for the community that you and I belong. The Democratic process working .
A no vote is a waste ,exactly one of the issues we are combating . No equals more of the same.
I am in favour of controlled immigration only. I hope that you will look to vote for candidates that value our freedoms and traditions ,culture and acheivments.
My parents taught me to vote for what I believe to be best for the nation first then the community and family and lastly

Guest D said...

Gino, your arguments don't hold water as you speak as a representative of a party that also tries to be all things to all right wingers. I speak as one of those that voted in the referendum to stay in the EEC during Ted Heath's term and I'm very worried by the Dithering Dave's 'promise' of a referendum if we don't vote UKIP.


To me it makes most sense in a general election to vote UKIP if you want out and to vote anything but UKIP or Tory if you want in.

Gino said...

Actually I speak as a free thinking individual that in a Democratic society is allowed freedom of speech and choice. As a member of a Democratic party I expect the same .
I remember the Ted Heath days too ,the vote was only to open the gateway towards better trade links in Europe ,it made sense.
Spending over £4000 per household pa towards an experiment to me is nonsense.
There will be a referendum (in2017 ),I for 1 would cease being Conservative member if there were a change in that pledge .
In the meantime there is much to do in our community and that is my prime concern for now. Anything worth having is worth working for. I am proud of where I live ,proud of my country England and proud to be British too.
It would have been selfish for me to defect .

Guest D said...

Gino, there are weasel words in that promise, Dithering Dave only promised a Referendum if he won and if he failed to get changes in the EU. If he was serious he could have written the referendum into law as Ted Heath did, So that the other parties would be bound to it.


To me it was very much about eating your cake and having it still.

Stewart Mackay Conservative WP said...

Guest D. The party line is. A Conservative government will renegotiate our membership in the EU. and then hold a referendum. The German Chancellor has signaled she is willing and the EU president Borroso has also indicated that the UK should be a special case.

Gino said...

And that is the major void between what the Conservative party and UKIP.
You see David has made a pledge and Nigel can only make a promise .
Anyone truly wanting a referendum will be with us to support the pledge.
While all this goes on we need to secure inward investment and decrease outflow.
The Labour government failed to bring our nation to its knees ,so as to leave us with an E U .option only.
We must ensure self sufficiancy .
Weasel? No we we don't want to scare off investment .

Gino said...

By the way David encouraged the idea of committing any future government to a referendum .
Labour and Lib left overs voted against it and UKIP? They didn't even support it verbally .
David has done all that he can and thus made the commitment that no others have or will.
Cutting to the chase any vote local or national against Conservative is an anti referendum vote too.
Nigel just seems to talk the talk and is scared of name calling? Come on , please.

Guest D said...

I know that Stewart but he has not said there will definitely be a referendum only if the renegotiations are not successful, and it is he that will decide on success.


Also at the rate the negotiations are going they will have barely started also they will have to wait until after the new EU president has been elected.


It's true that Angela Merkel is sympathetic to a few of the issues raised but not on the core issues of further EU integration.

Guest D said...

I know Dave, to appease the UKIP wing of the Tory party came up with this jam tomorrow wheeze, to stop the party splitting asunder.


Local election votes have no bearing on what the government of the day will do, All of the Local councils could be Tory, but if Labour are in power or there is another hung parliament then there will be no referendum.

Gino said...

Appease UKIP wing what ?
Not that old chestnut .
As we know the left wing seem to have a fear of anything to do with national pride and patriotism ,we see that at local level ,therefore we must ensure that local identity is preserved and that means keeping the left out. By doing so it signals the fact that this is required nationally too.
Throughout Europe people want to retain their identity and customs. I personally believe that UKIP are left wing conspirators.

Gino said...

Proving by actions to over compensate is an interesting sign .
For a leader of a party to over compensate ,now that's a liability that we can't afford ,I presume Nigel is happy with this arrangement.

Guest D said...

I wouldn't accuse the left wing of the Tory party of lack of patriotism, more they don't have a misplaced sense of the history of Empire and the little Englander mentality that thinks we can it alone.

Simon Densley (Blogger, Consv) said...

As Henry Ford said: “Whether you think you can, or you think you can't - you're right.”

Gino said...

We are never alone.
We have earnt respect from those that have an understanding of history . It is only ignorance and or the left that fear patriotism . When countries wanted independence they were given the choice under Empire ,the English as part of the United Kingdom continue to help them ,both those in and outside of the Commonwealth . The left of centre in the Conservative party have a proud appreciation of our history and potential .

Jeff said...

United Europe is rapidy becoming the most powerful and prosperous nation in the world. That's why other countries in Europe are falling over themselves to join. As part of the EU (imperfect though it is) we enjoy communal independence by which I mean it's not easy for other big power blocs to push Europe around. But if we reverted to Little England status and there was a clash of interests between us and the mighty U.S. or China or Russia or India then their interests would always prevail. On its own the U.K. would lose the common independence that EU membership gives..
I understand that 60% of our trade is with Europe. If we left then tariff walls would go up and we would lose most of that trade. Yet we need to export to pay for food and raw materials we need to import. So who will we trade with if we leave Europe? Not the Third World because there is nothing you can make in the UK that you can't make for one-tenth of the price in the Third World with its cheap labour. We can't compete with the U.S. because they mass produce for an assured home market of nearly 300-million consumers (whereas the UK only has 60-million) giving them economies of scale ie their goods are cheaper. Australasia is now part of the Far East economy and Canada has merged in with the U.S. so do don't expect them to suddenly become major new trading partners.
If we left Europe we would have nobody in the world to trade with competitively and we would be reduced to a siege economy. No thank you.

Once upon a time the British weren't afraid to join up with people of different cultures and nationalities overseas. In fact we went right round the world and built an Empire containing every race and nationality in the world. (Though we didn't invite them all to come and live here). It was the greatest Empire the world had ever seen though it too was imperfect. But we weren't afraid of joining up with Johnny Foreigner. Today the British are scared of the French, the Germans and the Italians etc and want to cower behind our borders believing that if we associate with even our nearest neighbours (in the EU) we're bound to be tricked and taken advantage of.
That's how far the British have fallen. Vote to leave Europe if you like but know that the heroes of British history who once made Britain great are looking down on you with complete and utter contempt.
The U.K. should be leading Europe not leaving it!

Gino said...

Watching the Commonwealth games will be good ,don't you think.

The Dutchman said...

An utterly irrelevant competition as 2/3rds of the world's population is excluded? Hmmmmm, if only I could think of some kind of metaphor here….

AlanRogers1 said...

That's a puzzling reply.

Gino said...

It is free however and brings business to many places.
We don't pay £4k pa +per household for it.
Even the Eurovision is about favratism and you have to a tax to watch.

Gino said...

Not for all that are involved .
It doesn't cost and has many benefits too.
Huge combined population in the Commonwealth .
It works even without £4k+ pa from my household.
You even have to pay the Eurovision ,suffer it or not.

Guest D said...

Tell that to the people of Scotland who are having to pay for it via their community charge. Indeed all the people of Britain will pay something towards it via their license fees, Higher prices charged by the corporate sponsors, TNSAAFL!

Gino said...

I hope they read my comment there too, i know people there family too who think its great! Scotland is great as are all things British!

The Dutchman said...

The Commonwealth "works"? At what exactly? No shared values, language, history. It took until 2013 for a declaration against discrimination, something that the UN managed in 1948 and the Europeans in 1953. Nothing like throwing your lot in with a forward thinking organisation I guess.

Another guest said...

It costs someone but if it doesn't cost you that's ok then. What actually cost your household over £4,000 per year?

Gino said...

At not needing bailouts for one. Oh chauffeurs oops there's two.

Gino said...

The financial contribution that I will have to pay until i vote in the 2017 Referendum.
Is £4k+ pa .

Guest D said...

So after the possible referendum you will refuse to pay your contribution if we act sensibly and stay in the market where we do 60% of our trade? If we want to keep even a part of that trade we would have to comply with all of the rules of the EU but have no say in their setting.


I can't see any advantages in leaving, except to the financial sector and they are already too large a part of our economy to make sound business sense.


Leave and most likely all those multi nationals that are here would re-headquarter to Belgium or Holland, why be outside?


Even the financial sector, why should an organisation like HSBC be here it would make most sense to go back to Hong-Kong or Shanghai the H and S in their name, as the importance of the UK rapidly declines.


It's such a stupid move, that I will vote any party but UKIP or Tory at the General Election unless the candidate pledges that they would vote against the referendum bill. But then we all know about politicians pledges.

Another guest said...

Where did you get that figure from please? I have done a search and can't find anything.

Another guest said...

My question was to Gino re the £4K+ pa he says it costs each household per year to be in the EU.

Stewart Mackay Conservative WP said...

Hi Guest D. The answer is it is both. We will renegotiate, then have the referendum. It will be in the EU's interest then to accommodate the UK and its feelings to the union.

Gino said...

Exactly the fear of loss I hear from clout ,m Clegg.
The truth is as people know ,Europe needs us and the rest of the Commonwealth . The multi nationals ? We are clients and consumers too in the UK and amongst the best work force.
Come on .,reality check.
What would the annual cost of membership be per household after 2017? To be blackmailed ?
Can you imagine what Lord Nelson would have said if a pirate told him.,give up Victory or we'll stop using your pubs ? Archer salute CHEERS!

Gino said...

Well it isn't accountable on any individual level ,that would be too shocking.
Tell you what ,write to Mr Clegg or the treasury .
Headed Households outgoings.

Guest D said...

So it won't be like DC's 'pledge' on the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty then?

Guest D said...

I think you live in Cloud Cuckoo land or have never been in senior management?


For example if you are Nissan why have a factory in the North of England outside the EU, when you can set-up one inside the EU in say Romania and get those big regional grants. However good the work force, trade tariffs and the buying power of 680 Million against 60 Million will work against that as an idea.


If you leave the club, you lose all the advantages that go along with membership. Your arguments sound exactly like Alex Salmond's jam tomorrow arguments, except he recognises the value of EU membership.

Another guest said...

All I am asking Gino is where you got the figure of £4K+ pa that each household has to pay because Britain is in the EU. If you keep stating it you should back it up somehow. I have looked on the internet and can't find anything to support what you are saying. If it is there I would like to read it so I can form an opinion based on something more than hearsay.

The Dutchman said...

Unlike the SUPER accountable Commonwealth that you're such a big fan of Gino?
Are you sure you aren't a UKIP stooge - your anti-EU rhetoric is very similar to Nigel's "bloke down the pub telling it how it is" schtick. Lots of very plausible sounding words, without actually being able to backup what you say.

Gino said...

How much is the membership and divide by households or write to the decision makers.

Gino said...

I just enjoy freedom of speech ,what's left of it.
Of course some don't like it and then out comes their handbag. Is it o k with you ?

Another guest said...

You are standing for election Gino and you want to be a decision maker. If you want to quote figures you should be able to back them up. To arrive at a correct figure there would need to be more than that to it. What about the rebate? What about grants that regions and businesses get from the EU? What about financial benefits that businesses get from being in the EU? The list is probably a lot bigger than that. The EU does need reforming in many respects and your figure might be right. I am just asking you, as someone who is standing for election, to back it up somehow.

Gino said...

When did Datsun come? Who pays for subsidy ?
Japan not EU.
Really its getting desperate .
Ford ?
Let's create our own as we did, let's compete . Yes thanks to past sign always we are trying to get out of the EU jam NOW.
Left -ology doesn't butter me up.
UKIP stooge ? I chose Conservative.
UKIP is like E U.evolving experiment that Great Britain can't afford !

Another guest said...

How much is the subsidy that Japan pays please?

The Dutchman said...

Unable to take into account the counter-factual and "handbag" remarks. What a fine elected representative you'd make Gino.

Another guest said...

In fairness to Gino accusing someone of opposing free speech and then making a cheap jibe about getting your handbag out is always the best way to reply when someone asked you to back up something you've said with some facts. Especially when you are standing for election.

Guest D said...

You won't get any information out of Gino. There are three Conservative candidates for the WP ward, two are willing to engage in cogent debate and back up their assertions then there is Gino who just trots out the UKIP ^H^H^H^H party line.

Gino said...

I have stated where the information is available . I am not interested in the trickery regarding grants etc ,net in flow ,net out flow only.

Gino said...

Japan is just one example of many trade partners that we have ,whether or not we are in the E.U.
As they were before.
Nothing to do with subsidy.

Gino said...

So predictable , I forgot I didn't get your permission before giving my own personal opinion . Non partisan .
Shame that you only use left ology of pigeon whole politics to dumb down individual freedom of speech. The art of being a good guest is ?
Knowing when to leave .

Gino said...

I'm not anti EU , I believe that people should have been given the choice along with the factual cost of membership at the start. It was badly planned and implemented even worse all with open ended funding ,all without the will of the majority . It was fine when were a partner in Europe ,we are now in the EU and ROPE as in cost is not affordable .

Gino said...

There are no guaranteed grants or rebates therefore those carrots don't help in number crunching the true net cost .
Anyway grants and rebates? Would you like your future financial security to depend on that ?

Guest D said...

Gino, I close my entry in this debate with one piece of advice, if trying to be elected don't go around insulting the intelligence of the electorate and the electorate. They won't vote for you that way, even Boris can't get away with that.

You still haven't given any answer to the central question and one that is being used as the central argument in the 'Better Together' debate, why should a multi-national try to trade into a market from outside when it can so easily move inside that market?

Freedom of speech means that you are willing to engage in the cut and thrust of debate, countering arguments of your opponents with your own and to try to win them over with the force of your arguments, just repeating the UKIP handbook or repeating Tony Benn's speeches will get you nowhere.

I do hope though that you don't damage your co runners platforms as they seem decent intelligent people.

Another guest said...

Keep digging Gino. I'm not standing for election and I haven't made any claims about how much the EU costs each household per year. To tell you the truth I haven't got any idea and I never said I did have. Grants was just one example I used to point out the ridiculous over simplification of your way that you suggested I could use to work out the figure if I wanted to. You are standing for election and you have stated that the EU coast each household over £4,000 per year. I am simply asking you to show us something to back up your claim. I would genuinely be interested to know whether the figure is right or not. I would hope that it's wrong as that would be a shocking amount. How can you expect the electorate to take you seriously if you won't just tell us where the figure you have quoted comes from? If you stand by the figure tell us where we can find it rather than just telling us to work it out for ourselves or write to someone or other.

Stewart Mackay Conservative WP said...

I think Guest D we both know the pledge on the Lisbon treaty. Was to have a referendum before it was ratified. It was ratified two years before DC was in power by the labour in 2008. Hope you have a good day. Take Care !

Another guest said...

No you haven't. You told me to find out how much find out how much the membership was (assume you mean the UK contribution) and divide that figure by the households. I pointed out that figure would be meaningless and now you say we need to take into account flows in, which is what I said in the first place. What's it to be Gino? Please, please, please tell me where I can look to find the cost per household for the EU being in the EU. You have repeatedly said it is over £4K pa and I just want you to back up what you said.

The Dutchman said...

But then you're not presenting all the "facts" Gino as you're not taking into account that (a) leaving the EU wouldn't save the total amount of the "outflow" and (b) there are benefits to membership that would be lost and therefore also need to be calculated.


The CBI (hardly an organisation of "leftology", although as I don't think this is even a word it's hard for me to know) recently put the benefits of membership in the range of 4%-5% of GDP.

The Dutchman said...

I don't even know what this means - I made no comment about being against people talking in pubs or about the brewery trade in general.

Guest D said...

Stewart, check back, you have the overview correct, but the devil as always in Politics is in the detail. He was asked on this point by Paxman and he gave a Gold plated guarantee that he would find a way to give the public a referendum on it, if that was the case.


I'm not singling out DC, we can also remember B'Liar giving assurances on treaty changes and then saying that what everyone else had said was a treaty change wasn't one.


In my view a Politician's pledge is not even worth the air used in saying it.


Have a good day, it looks like being a nice one.

Gino said...

Multi nationals rely on investment ,the staff and the end user.
For all things to function well there must be financial stability .
The EU has and still is fragile to say the least ,therefore Britain is again proving to be amongst the most competent and stable economies. Outside of the EU we are free to keep our tax incentives competitive encouraging businesses to put down in Britain ,ie; corperation tax .
My advice to you is don't be quided by fear ,rather have belief in the qualities and tenasity of the British people all of which keep Britain great.
Don't loose sleep over multi nationals disappearing from the planet .
And if they do I'm sure you'll get an invite to Mars ,after all your advice is alien to me .
By the way the only thing central to me for now is central road and the diabolical amount of traffic and pollution .

Another guest said...

What are your ideas please for dealing with the traffic problem in Central Road?

Gino said...

I would like a complete review in partnership with neighboring boroughs and TFL. The traffic is chocking the life out or W.P .It is bad for health bad for businesses. Just in the twelve years I've been here it has become worse. It is a priority ,one of the prime reasons I got involved .Am fed up with it .

Stewart Mackay Conservative WP said...

Another Guest ,

Gino, I hope you don't mind me butting in here but I would like to involve myself in this the very serious issue that is the Central Road Congestion. Another Guest, myself and the team have been pushing for a “wholesale cross border, cross authority (inc tfl) review” of the roads leading in and out of Sutton Borough. We have began cross borders talks with Kingston Councillors and have agreed regular meetings with our conservative counterparts. The London Mayor Boris Johnson is aware of the campaign as is Conservative HQ in Sutton who agree Sutton needs a longer term approach to driving and traffic infrastructure than the liberals have provided these last 30 years. I don't make promises I cant keep. but do promise to work tirelessly with our parliamentary candidate Paul Scully, TFL, the Mayor and the Transport Minister to ease the congestion in Central Road and Malden Road down to the A3. a tough job, yes… but one that needs to be tackled and a job we will not shy from.

So for real change in Worcester Park Vote Conservative.

Gino said...

There are benefits when I shop ,there are also costs.
However there are so many variables that it is not possible to reach a conclusion ,that's where we are.
This is the point ,it is all estimations an speculation . As an ordinary person I am only concerned with affordability .

Another guest said...

A complete review with neighbouring boroughs and TFL sounds like a very good idea. Thank you for actually answering this question at least

Gino said...

We all understand that nothing is for nothing don't we.
We know that when we contribute ,unless for charity ,we deserve something in return . Therefore it is reasonable to expect that the net contribution figure in £'s is transparent .

Another guest said...

Thank you Steward. That all sounds good. Most of the traffic in Central Road probably or goes to or comes from Kingston Borough via Malden Road, but Epsom borough should not be overlooked in this review. I also hope that whoever is in power after the local elections will try to work with the MPs we currently have, or will have next year, in the constituencies covering Worcester Park, regardless of which party those MPs represent.

Another guest said...

But where did you get your figure of over £4,000 per annum per household from Gino. It's a straightforward question. I have asked it so many times but you are either unable or unwilling to answer it.

Another guest said...

Gino, as an ordinary person I would like people who represent us, or seek to represent us, to take into account all relevant information when coming to a decision. Affordability would be one aspect of that, and a major one, but not the only consideration surely. If it is not possible to reach a conclusion because there are so many variables, as you say, that raises two vital questions. One, how on earth are we meant to judge whether it is affordable? Two, where did you get your figure from that says being in the EU costs each household over £4K per year?

Another guest said...

Sorry for my typo Stewart!

Stewart Mackay Conservative WP said...

Its all good. :)

Gino said...

Well you see I think personally seeing as though some people are happy to base the future of our great nation on percentages ,speculation and promises of subsidies and grants ,I would add an estimation too.
I consider it to be both a minimum figure and realistic .
I share your pain, I am seeking the actual figure .
You are quit right about supporting statements with facts. And I will when I can.

Another guest said...

So are you now saying Gino that the figure of £4,000 plus pa that you claimed several times the EU cost each household per year is your own personal estimate? Am I right in thinking that you have now said you cannot substantiate your figure? If so would you like to withdraw it until such a time that you can show how you arrived at that figure, or point to some article written by someone with a background in economics, who had some facts on which to base their figures?

Gino said...

I think that you have every right to judge the affordability and it is of course reasonable to do so ,it is your right in this situation .
I have achieved something if only to highlight it for now.

Gino said...

I know let's meet half way ,you deserve it ,I'll withdraw my estimation when you prove it to be wrong.
You will agree of course that if the nation is to believe percentage politics then they too must be sustanciated .
In the meantime except that little old me ,ordinary as I may be is entitled to make reasonable estimations also.
Even based on minimums.

Another guest said...

Gino, that's not meeting half way is it? I have not suggested a figure, nor made any estimates and I am not standing for election. You have made an statement about the costs and despite being asked on many occasions to back your figure up you have only within the last hour or so said it's an estimate. You should have said that in the first place. Anyway, estimates are usually based on facts, and I put it to you that the figure you have been quoting as fact is no more than a guess. As someone seeking to be elected you should be able to substantiate your statements if they are questioned. Your replies speak for themselves on this particular matter and it is clear that you cannot substantiate the figure you stated several times. As far as I am concerned it this particular matter I have finished posting about it if you have.

Gino said...

Until you can prove my estimation to be wrong of course .
I assure you it is not a guess .
Don't worry I'll pick up the gauntlet if you are not able.

Another guest said...

Whatever. I'm sure that enough has been said for readers to form their opinions on your postings regarding this matter.

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