Friday, 23 May 2014

Election Results

Here be the results of Sutton's Worcester Park wards:

Worcester Park ward

Simon Densley (Conservative)  -  1226
Richard Edmonds  -  185
John Evers (Labour)  -  474
Arthur Hookway (Lib Dems)  -  1508
David Hosking (Labour)  -  421
Hilary Hosking (Labour)  -  462
Stewart Mackay (Conservative)  -  1264
Gino Marotta (Conservative)  -  1146
Richard Marston (Lib Dems)  -  1455
Han-Ley Tang (Ukip)  -  768
Paul Wingfield (Lib Dems)  -  1300

The Worcester Park ward councillors are now:
Arthur Hookway, Richard Marston and Paul Wingfield.



Nonsuch ward

Eric Allen (Conservative)  -  1361
Samantha Bourne (Lib Dems)  -  1744
Richard Broadbent (Lib Dems)  -  1570
Shawn Buck (Labour)  -  311
Howard Cowley (Ukip)  -  901
Rona Forzani (Conservative)  -  1226
Laura Mullaney (Labour)  -  408
Marcus Papadopoulos (Labour)  -  330
Alan Plant (Conservative)  -  1291
Daniel Sangster (Lib Dems)  -  1431

The Nonsuch ward councillors are now:
Samantha Bourne, Richard Broadbent and Daniel Sangster.


(Now, having been awake for 29 hours after 1.5 hours sleep the night before - It time for a sleep! - after which I will post the Kingston - Old Malden results...)


Update:

Old Malden ward (Kingston)

David Bamford (Lib Dem)  -  682
Bill Bennett (Labour)  -  480
Mary Clark  (Conservative)  -  1348
Nicholas Collis (Ukip)  -  573
Kevin Davis  (Conservative)  -  1233
David Fraser (Conservative)  -  1461
Lucy Howard (Green)  -  328
Ian Kellett (Labour)  -  433
Mi Soon Kim (Lib Dem)  -  610
George Pearson (Labour)  -  425
Richard Thompson (Lib Dem)  -  155

The Old Malden ward councillors are now:
Mary Clark, Kevin Davis and David Fraser.


Congratulations to all those who were elected.



78 COMMENTS (Add Yours Now!):

PJ said...

A valiant effort by the WPB'er; commiserations Simon - the Council's loss is the Worcester Park Blog's gain. Keep up the good work.

David K said...

Agree with all of those concerns but what you have described could apply to almost every other council in the Country; Labour, Liberal, Conservative, no overall control etc

john said...

When they feel that it will make a difference and believe that any candidate from any party has a real conviction. That being at local, national or European level. Gone are the days of conviction polotics. When was the last time you heard any politician stand and really speak their own mind.

Steve said...

You want more housing and less traffic? If there's anything we've learnt from the Hamptons it's that the two don't go together. They object to more housing because if they didn't, the NIMBYs would chuck them out.

Gino said...

THANK YOU to everyone that voted for me and the local Conservative W.P.team.
Humble in victory ,glorious in defeat.
I am so pleased that I had the opportunity to meet and listen to members of the W.P.community that I did not meet before .
THANK YOU to the residents and buissness people that took time to speak with me regarding their cocerns.
I have enjoyed taking part in our Democratic process ,the only way to truly understand and appreciate something as great ,is to get involved be involved.
All the best.

Doug Woods said...

We currently have two bins, Liberals want to make it one and pick them up once a fortnight instead of every week. Nice.

Alex said...

Dave, you're right of course. We're going to see both essential services reduced and big Council Tax increases to fill the unknown black hole in Sutton Council's finances, which has been created out of the need to stop Council Tax rises before the election.

When all this happens, all those people who never bothered to vote on Thursday are going to start protesting and looking for someone else to blame!

Alex said...

The really sad thing about these results is the appallingly low turnout. The Worcester Park Ward has an electorate of 9,037 and the Nonsuch Ward 8,321. Everyone had 3 votes each, so if everyone in both Wards voted for 3 candidates, 52,074 votes would have been cast...

Out of 52,074 votes available, only 20,845 votes were actually counted, which is within 15 votes of exactly 40%. This obviously means 60% of local voters simply didn't bother.

Can it really be that 6 out of 10 families in Worcester Park simply don't care enough to vote? They neither care what their Council Tax bill is, nor what it's spent on? [Whilst places like St. Helier had a worse turnout, that's no excuse for voter apathy here].

James said...

Doug, you seem to list all the problems. Perhaps you have better suggestions? If so, get yourself elected and try to make the change!

Doug Woods said...

People just vote blind, they don't even know what the parties polices are, my dad votes Labour so I do etc. Pathetic.
Liberals have done nothing in our area but run it down, the place is an eye sore.

Jeff said...

THE REAL WINNERS in this election are the two people out of three who refused to vote thereby showing their complete contempt for all the present gang of politicians who were too busy fiddling their expenses to notice the gangster bankers ripping us off (for which WE are now all paying for in cut backs).
The number of people who refuse to vote goes from strength to strength with each passing election - one day when nobody votes any more the game will be over for these self-seeking crooks, con men and sexual abusers.
Don't tell me our grandfathers fought and died in the War so we had the right to vote freely in elections for con men who never listen to the will of the people. For 50 years the British people have been saying 'No more immigration' but the politicians either agree to help but do nothing (like Thatcher) or call us racists.
What we need is a new breed of men and women in politics who aren't just interested in power as an end in itself or to line their own pockets but who will use that power to achieve great things for all the U.K. people.
WHEN WILL THE PRESENT LOT LEARN?

Gino said...

The two people in three now have more of the same ,winners?
There is always an excuse to not do something . I became more involved in politics myself because I too am not impressed with many things.
You know the only way to correct things is by being involved ,no say ,no change. The council past and present owe you a thank you.
I thank all those who (understand) how much more our community would have benefited and did their unselfish bit .

Alex said...

"The real winners" of an election are those who refuse to take part in it? How astoundingly naïve!

First, since you play no part in this democratic decision process, don't bother complaining about the outcome, be they cut backs, immigration, expenses fiddling or anything else.

Had "the two people out of three who refused to vote", actually block voted, en masse, it would have changed the outcome and forced every politician and political party to rethink. UKIP winning under 4% of the seats has got every politician worried. Imagine if that had been 44%?

As it is, you claim you want change, yet you've squandered and lost the best opportunity for change for the next year.

Guest D said...

Gino,


I think the point being made, is the same as was being made on the BBC daily politics programme. That the parties at national level are becoming Identikit versions of each other, filled with professional politicians who have never done a honest day's work in their lives.


Perhaps that is why Farage is attracting such attention, he is different, having actually worked for a living and seems to believe in his policies, which also don't feel like they have been run through a dozen focus groups.


A good suggestion that a polling expert came up with, was to include a none of the above in the list, so that the electorate can take part in the process without supporting any of the candidates. The issue comes when none of the above wins!

Andrew (the former WP Blogger) said...

So people are so angry about the Parliamentary expenses scandal and bankers bonuses that they 'punish national politicians' by refusing to take an interest in how their local schools, local social services, local libraries, local town planning and local roads are run? Very strange times we live in.

The Dutchman said...

"He is different" - I love the fact that the public-school educated son of a stockbroker, that went into a career as, erm, a stockbroker is seen as a renegade outsider. Farage couldn't be MORE establishment.

Jeff said...

People took an interest and protested at the chopping down of Worcester Park's iconic avenue of Lombardy Poplar trees. But even as the protesters were waiting in Malden Road to meet council representatives they started chopping down the trees. People protested about the closing down of so many sub-Post Offices. But they were closed anyway. If ever a plan is put forward to build on the Green Belt (such as the Worcester Park House site) local residents are always thoroughly consulted - then they go ahead with the plans anyway.
Take all the interest you like in local social services, local libraries and town planning - but don't expect the kind of politicians we have these days to take a blind bit of notice of you. I once heard one of these professional politicians explain their thinking: "Democracy is a wonderful system. It has one fault - the majority are usually wrong."
I give you my personal assurance that the number of people voting in next year's General Election will be down on the last one.

Alex said...

Has anybody else noticed the irony of how under Proportional Representation, the PR flag-waving Lib Dems got absolutely slaughtered in the European Elections and lost 90% of their seats?

Poetic justice or what?

Guest D said...

Yes he's the most establishment of the lot, but at least he knows what it's like to work for a living outside politics.


For the others from leaving school (two Public Schools, one State) to becoming an MP.


Clegg :- Westminster - Ski instructor - lobbyist - EU policy group
Milliband - Haverstock Comprehensive - Researcher for C4 'a week in politics' - Researcher for Harriet Harman
Cameron - Eton - Researcher for god father (Tory MP) - Researcher for 'Conservative Research Group'


Politicians used to gain experience of the world before going into Politics even if it was running the family estate, as the last Peer to be Prime Minister Lord Dunglass (Alec Douglas Home) had done.


I don't like this movement to professional politicians as they have no other job to turn to, they think it's okay to treat the electorate like rhubarb.


I hope I live long enough that we can return to an Athenian democracy, with a virtual 'forum' (market place)

Paul said...

In the local council elections, many voters put their three crosses against the three candidates from the same party, hence each candidate from the party receives a broadly similar number of votes. Does anyone know why Richard Thompson (Lib Dem) fared so much worse than his two colleagues in Old Malden? Idle curiosity only.

Gino said...

Steady ,you'll give them ideas ,they may even push to make Sutton an independent borough.
LBSI. With new voting regulations .

Guest D said...

I heard on the news that the counting in many London boroughs was delayed because the vote was split between three candidates so the ballot papers had to be counted thrice, once for each candidate.


Perhaps, the voters are ceasing to behave like sheep to the slaughter and looking at the candidates as individuals and they liked Richard Thompson least.

Alex said...

Speaking of voting regulations, under PR in the Euro Elections, the Lib Dems managed to snatch just under 7% of the votes...

But ended up with under 1.5% of the share of seats (and were awfully close to losing that single seat, leaving them with 0% of the seats!)

Meanwhile Plaid Cymru received the same number of seats as the Lib Dems (1), despite the Lib Dems receiving 10 times as many votes!

Whoever PR is working for, it sure isn't the Lib Dems!

The Dutchman said...

It's a regional based PR, not a national based PR, therefore is not truly reflective of the national vote.

Gino said...

And the net good news as far as I am concerned is ,the party of in ,is left out. Of course their other half improved ,Labour ,that's the down side.

guest ab said...

i , like many others voted for the one UKIP candidate and two of the Conservatives who had either provided excellent service over the years or and lived in or very near the ward. and would have their finger on the 'pulse'.
This may be the reason !!!!!
i do however believe voting blindly on National party lines in local elections is not good at local elections. As what the National party's dictate may not necessarily be good at local level.
The best solution is to have residents associations as in Epsom & Ewell seems to have worked there very well for many years.
Keep destructive party politics out of local issues.

Alex said...

It is truly reflective of both the failure and current unpopularity of the Lib Dems in every single region of the UK, without exception.

The results show that across the United Kingdom, (including Wales and Scotland), there is a common National desire for an EU referendum, which the Lib Dems were and remain opposed to...

"The truth is UKIP's and the Conservatives' position on Europe is dangerous for Britain and they need to be stopped."
Paul Burstow MP

The truth is that after the Lib Dems have been fighting a referendum on Europe next year, we will have a referendum on our MP's judgement.

Paul said...

I agree with your local v national comment, and on that basis I am surprised that UKIP did as well as they did in local elections (though not here). Essentially a single-issue party, which is of great importance in the national and European elections, but I didn't see any reason to vote for them locally.

Paul said...

Or maybe they are behaving as sheep, and Richard Thompson had the misfortune of being the 3rd Lib Dem on the list!

Guest said...

Same here... Noting that UKIP had only one candidate in the Nonsuch Ward, I voted for them (as a 'plan B') and for the two Conservatives - one who had helped me with an issue and another who was actively trying to improve the area (as opposed to talking about it in endless 'Focus' mailshots). I hoped that this way, we might end with something other than 3x Lib Dems.
Unfortunately, in Sutton, the result of UKIP standing in a marginal constituency seems to have been to have been to split both the Tory and Labour vote and stopped some very able candidates getting in. Thankfully, the result was different virtually everywhere else!

Stewart Mackay said...

Good Thread Guys! Nice to see that an election can get people fired up!!

Guest D said...

Hi Stewart, I hope you've got over your disappointment of being only 37 votes short of getting in.

Stewart Mackay said...

Hi Guest D, me and my comrades made a valiant and closed the gap a lot but couldn't quite take the prize. For now. I'm taking a break from politics and spending some time with family and love ones. It has been a hectic 6 years 2 x by-elections fought, 1 x general and 1 x local (This last one) and feel a break is in order. I am dubbing this election campaign the "successful failure" learnt a lot of lessons of being in opposition and campaigning. I have also made some great friends.

Wpman said...

A week on and I still can't believe the people of Worcester Park voted for the Lib Dems !

Guest said...

"I still can't believe the people of Worcester Park voted for the Lib Dems!" My neighbours said exactly the same thing to me this morning... and then they told me they didn't even vote!!! They said they would have done if they'd known what the result was going to be... I said that only makes it worse!... Albeit with a smile :-)
It seems to me too many people in Sutton took one look at the countrywide opinion polls, saw the Lib Dems were going to get a deserved kicking across Britain and thought, "Well, in that case, I hardly need to bother voting, then!" Add UKIP into the mix and you've got low opposition voter turnout and split opposition votes - with a result that virtually nobody wanted!

The Dutchman said...

Isn't it the job of each party to mobilise their support? If one party did that more effectively than the others then so be it.

Nina said...

Why would you vote for Lib Dem, for years Sutton Council has been mismanaged, millions wasted, and we pay one of the HIGHEST COUNCIL TAXes in London. Why oh Lord why??? Read the annual audit for Sutton Council, year in year out it is losing our money!!!

Nina said...

91% of Council Housing in Sutton is taken by Brits, so before blaming on immigrants check the numbers

Guest said...

Good idea, Nina... to ensure we make an informed choice before every election, maybe delivering the most recent annual audit report for Sutton Council would be more useful than, for example, a dozen editions of Focus!

Guest said...

I suggest the problem is that on top of a 'natural' shortage, losing an extra 9% of housing (or anything else), every year, year on year, is going to hurt any local community and will cumulatively create a massive shortage.

Susan said...

Although I did not vote Lib Dem I do think Arthur Hookway deserved to get the most votes as he has contributed so much to Worcester Park. He ran the residents association and led the campaign against the Green Lane mosque application ( that appeal going on today and tomorrow ) fingers crossed the rejection is upheld by the secretary of state for the enviroment..... Sutton is the only London borough where UKIP won in the European elections...that says a lot without needing to be said.....people have had enough....not because they are racist but because they have had enough of the lack of housing, school places, hospitals, doctors.... There are too many people here already the country cannot cope anymore.

susan said...

Although I did not vote Lib Dem I do think Arthur Hookway deserved to get the most votes as he has contributed so much to Worcester Park. He ran the residents association and led the campaign against the Green Lane mosque application ( that appeal going on today and tomorrow ) fingers crossed the rejection is upheld by the secretary of state for the enviroment..... Sutton is the only London borough where UKIP won in the European elections...that says a lot without needing to be said.....people have had enough....not because they are racist but because they have had enough of the lack of housing, school places, hospitals, doctors.... There are too many people here already the country cannot cope anymore.

Alex said...

Interesting that Sutton is the only London Borough where UKIP came first in the Euro Elections, and as you say, no surprise. There are an awful lot of unhappy people in Sutton.. not necessarily in financial meltdown or even near it. But desperately fed up with Sutton Council eroding the quality of their family's lives, from cradle to grave and everywhere in between.

Against this background, the local election results look very strange indeed. Looking at what happened just over the border, in Kingston, they look even stranger! Then you see what happened across the rest of the UK and you get the feeling that a lot of votes somehow missed being counted.

Arthur Hookway was/is a popular figure, so it's rather surprising he was actually only 50ish votes ahead of the next candidate. Even more odd are the Nonsuch Ward results, where none of the Lib Dem candidates were known at all, yet seem to have easily won the popular vote, whilst standing for a universally unpopular party. Really struggling with these results...

Guest said...

Congrats to Arthur Hookway on his appointment as mayor of Sutton.

Gino said...

I remember when it was run by the residents (for the residents).
The meetings take place at The Hamptons I believe .

Guest said...

Anyone need only to walk between Green Lane and the Hamptons on any weekday morning, around 8:30am to see with their own eyes the completely cocked-up result of building homes where there is no transport capacity for them and no practical way to add extra capacity for them. But I suppose some would say that only proves that their eyes are racist.

I wonder why the decision on the Green Lane mosque was moved backwards, until just after the election? If the appeal successfully overturns the official planning decision, can we appeal and overturn the official election results?

KS customer hung out to dry said...

Did you know that Kingston South, builders on 161 Central Road, have gone into liquidation? You would not know from the shop front, website, email address, telephone number, liveried van, face and management of Kingston South i.e. Steven Rathbone. The new company, Kingston South Construction Limited, has no trading history; despite appearances is NOT a member of the Guild of Master Craftsmen or Federation of Master Builders despite misleading logos on shop front and website. The sole shareholder, manager and face of the new company with readily substantially similar name in addition to seamlessly selling itself off the coat-tails of the original company now in liquidation is of course Steven Rathbone. Of course the new company does not have any concerns for HMRC, trade and customer creditors (totalling in excess of £100,000) of the original company who have been left with no recourse. Such creditors include customers who have a Kingston County Court Judgment against the original company for defective work not compliant with Building Regs (Claim No. 3YU58868). If you know any one countenancing contracting with or trading with Kingston South, I would warn them if I were you to think twice before dealing with the brazen builders. Liquidators who can confirm the state of the original company are "Marks Bloom", Andy Whelan dealing.

Doug Woods said...

The lib dems spent a lot more money than the other parties securing their seats, so we will I guess pay for that with the bin policy amongst other cut backs.

Gino said...

The main concern surely has to be ,how much higher the council tax may rise when the government freeze ends. As we know the tax adds to the cost of living . Never mind ,one of the Lib leaflets says that they are helping with that and Lab say the same ,although they both really only help to fuel cost of living with spend and waste.

Kingston said...

This is company number six for Mr Rathbone! May be worth a call to ITV Cowboy Builders!

KS customer hung out to dry said...

Thank you - I have indeed emailed 5's Cowboy builders. I have also emailed localcommittees@sutton.gov.uk and paul@paulburstow.org.uk and tom.gillespie@london.newsquest.co.uk (respectively the local councillors; the local MP; and the Sutton Guardian). If you or any one feels that this is a matter which should be publicised and militated against locally then please do follow up my emails to the above email addresses. Many thanks!

Gino said...

I look forward to seeing the responses from those in authority that can help the victims and expect to also learn that they are all ,fully compensated as soon as possible .

Michael said...

Is this just a troll or is there evidence for these libelous claims against what seems to be a very well established business employing many locals? Having registered more then a single company over a period of time is not uncommon or illegal. However making false libelous claims against a named person/company in a public/political blog is libelous. I suggest the owner of the blog investigate, delete or substantiate these claims to save his own reputation. I trust that the blogger has all IP addresses for tracing the posters of these claims available for any law suits that might arise.

KS customer hung out to dry said...

All that I have posted can be fully substantiated and is clearly justified. I have done my best to make facts absolutely clear and similarly opinion so. Please check out Companies House: http://www.companies house.co.uk. Which now shows that Kingston South Limited is in liquidation and where you can see details of the liquidator as per my original post i.e. Marks Bloom. I have also got a copy of the CCJ against Kingston South Limited (claim number 3YU58868) which remains wholly unsatisfied. At liquidation, the only asset Kingston South Limited had was £6000, which came from the sale to Kingston South Construction Limited of the liveried van you may see driving around the area. You may not be surprised to hear that he prioritised liquidators fees for putting the company into liquidation are £5000 plus VAT making a nice round £6000. As it stands, the creditors, who do as a matter of fact exceed £1000,000, will not get a single penny back. Any one who would like to receive a copy of a Deputy District Judge Parker's judgment or any of the legal papers in the case or a copy of the liquidators letter, or a copy of the email of Mrs Pettit at the Federation of Master Builders confirming removal of the company in liquidation's membership, all the above is just a click of an email away. Thank you.

KS customer hung out to dry said...

Thank you for your concerns. I would like to make clear that
I have been careful to ensure that all that I have posted can be substantiated and is fully justified. You can see from checking www.companieshouse.gov.uk/ that Kingston South Limited has gone into liquidation and that Marks Bloom are the liquidators acting. The liquidator’s letter also states, interestingly, that
the sole asset of Kingston South Limited at liquidation was £6,000 from the sale to Kingston South Construction Limited of one Kingston South liveried van. It may just be coincidence but the liquidator’s fees for putting the company into liquidation are £5,000 plus VAT, making a nice round £6,000. The creditors, with monies owed in excess of £100,000, will receive nothing as it stands today. Anyone who would like a copy of Deputy District Judge Parker’s order in Kingston County Court against Kingston South Limited in claim no. 3YU58868; or any of the court papers; or a copy of the liquidator’s letter; or a copy of the email from Mrs Pettit at the Federation of Master Builders confirming the removal of Kingston South Limited from its membership… they are just the click of an email away. Similarly if you were to visit www.fmb.org.uk/ you would see that neither Kingston South entity is a member of the federation; whilst, if you visited http://www.guildmc.com/ you would see that Kingston South Construction Limited is not a member, although the Guild have been slower to act than the Federation as regards Kingston South Limited. However if you were to visit www.kingstonsouth.co.uk you would see that references to membership of either association are now notable by their
absence, as is any reference to corporate details which is in breach of http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/495/contents/made.
The shop front of Kingston South still does claim that the builder is a member of both associations – which company/ies or on what basis you may ask?

KS customer hung out to dry said...

Thank you for your concerns. I would like to make clear that
I have been careful to ensure that all that I have posted can be substantiated and is fully justified. You can see from checking www.companieshouse.gov.uk/ that Kingston South Limited has gone into liquidation and that Marks Bloom are the liquidators acting. The liquidator’s letter also states, interestingly, that
the sole asset of Kingston South Limited at liquidation was £6,000 from the sale to Kingston South Construction Limited of one Kingston South liveried van. It may just be coincidence but the liquidator’s fees for putting the company into liquidation are £5,000 plus VAT, making a nice round £6,000. The creditors, with monies owed in excess of £100,000, will receive nothing as it stands today. Anyone who would like a copy of Deputy District Judge Parker’s order in Kingston County Court against Kingston South Limited in claim no. 3YU58868; or any of the court papers; or a copy of the liquidator’s letter; or a copy of the email from Mrs Pettit at the Federation of Master Builders confirming the removal of Kingston South Limited from its membership… they are just the click of an email away. Similarly if you were to visit www.fmb.org.uk/ you would see that neither Kingston South entity is a member of the federation; whilst, if you visited http://www.guildmc.com/ you would see that Kingston South Construction Limited is not a member, although the Guild have been slower to act than the Federation as regards Kingston South Limited. However if you were to visit www.kingstonsouth.co.uk you would see that references to membership of either association are now notable by their
absence, as is any reference to corporate details which is in breach of http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/495/contents/made.
The shop front of Kingston South still does claim that the builder is a member of both associations – which company/ies or on what basis you may ask?

steve said...

I had heard bad things about the company and having read up this.post is accurate and not incorrect. Maybe the WP blogger could ask some questions about this.company.

Guest said...

Thank you for this very useful information - clearly you are no 'troll'. The Worcester Park Blog has proved itself invaluable, once again... What would we do without it?

Guest said...

I think the warning bells have already been rung on this company, Steve. No need for the WP Blogger or anyone else to conduct an archaeological dig into something when we already know what's buried underneath...

Gino said...

There doesn't seem to be a comment section regarding the Green lane planning application for some reason.
I would still like to know the cost of this contesting the application to date.

Judy said...

I am a neighbour of the K S customer , and I have seen the anguish ,and upset KS has caused this couple I hope they can get some compensation soon .

Joe said...

Compensation for what! I can't see anything that has been posted by the OP stating what this company has done wrong,so what would the compensation be for? Going into liquidation, huge crime. Why oh why do
people make negative comments on here without knowing the ins and outs of a situation, which leads me to think that the derogatory posts against this company are by friends/acquaintances of the OP. I do know some
local people who have had dealings with this company and wouldn't do anything other than praise them.
I'm sure there will be others that will post on here, with good and bad comments about this company. That's generally what blogs are for.
They are builders for pity's sake and very rarely do jobs run to plan or schedule for various reasons. I know this for a fact because am in the industry myself. I have also known a few builders who have gone bust in the past and no doubt there will be more in the future. It is not a nice situation to be in. The OP should understand that companies do go into liquidation, often through no fault of their own.
I am not defending Kingston South as I myself don't know what this conflict is about. I am looking forward though, to finding out what this company has done to the OP other than going into liquidation and more importantly, how many other customers' have they 'wronged'?

Nina said...

Council Housing should be given to the Disabled and Old people only. Stop giving it to 18 years old teens who got knocked up to get benefits and free flat. This election results are not a real representation of the situation, you'll see next year UKIP won't have even 10%!!!

Philip said...

As I surf through the pages of the Worcester Park Blog .. can ANYBODY please explain to me what the hell this has all to do with the Election Results 2014..?

...phuut .......

kingston said...

No it isnt a crime for a company to go into liquidation.

There are obviously reasons why Mr Rathbone felt it necessary to set up this new company in the first place, but all business should have been conducted through the original Kingston South Ltd. Given the fact that he did set up the new company and has traded through that, while leaving Kingston South Ltd to go under with a mountain of debt, is certainly unethical and possibly illegal.

Kingston South Ltd 'Statement of Affairs' available from the liquidators makes very interesting reading, especially where Kingston South Construction Ltd is listed as a creditor to Kingston South Ltd to a sum in excess of £22k! This is very strange.


Surely at its time of conception, the new company would have been using Kingston South Ltd premises, vans, machinery, web site, goodwill, fixtures and fittings, credit worthiness, materials etc. Lets face it, Kingston South Construction Ltd could not have generated any business without having any of these facilities to hand, but is now listed as a creditor to Kingston South Ltd? Very strange indeed!



And what about all of Kingston South Ltd previous customers, they are now left without any guarantee's should any of the work need rectifying, while the company and its management happily continues to trade with a slightly different name, operating from the same premises, without any obligation to it's old customers and creditors. Doesn't seem right!

Kingston said...

As of todays date, you will see that www.kingstonsouth.co.uk web site now states 'Kingston South is a trading name of Kingston South Construction Ltd'. But the pictures of various build sites have not changed which must have been constructed by Kingston South Ltd. Surely this is misrepresentation. The Guild and FMB logos are still boldly displayed on the shop front despite them not being members. There are also a few local sites operating on Donnington Rd and Woodstone Avenue which display the same signage with federation logos displayed.

kingston said...

Thanks for being so diligent on this matter. I have followed up your emails with my own. Just noticed they have started another site on St Clair Drive with signage boldly placed outside!

kingston said...

Just read this article in the Kingston Guardian:

http://www.kingstonguardian.co.uk/news/11258049.Couple_loses_thousands_after_loft_conversion_firm_collapses/?ref=var_0



I hope people will be careful when dealing with Kingston South Construction Ltd

kingston said...

Subsequently to the article published on the 5th June by the Guardian newspaper stating the details about the couple who successfully sued Kingston South Ltd for substandard work which failed to comply with Building Control, the management of Kingston South Construction Ltd issued a statement on their web site. This statement raises more questions than it answers.

The management statement, which isn’t even dated
or published on company letterhead, falls well short in answering the ‘inaccurate’ information it claims has been written about it. It doesn’t even come close to clarifying the reasons why it was deemed necessary to liquidate Kingston South Ltd, who it claims were very busy by ‘successfully completing on average 25
conversions per year’ with ‘the good reputation it had established in the local area’ with a ‘very proud trading history’ since 2010. Surely a company, who is apparently doing so well, would have simply settled the relatively small amount it was ordered to pay by the Court to Mr & Mrs Wells, or better still,
rectified the substandard work without putting these people through the stress of taking the company to Court. But instead, Mr Rathbone decided to form a new company in October 2013 with an almost identical name around the time it came to light that the work was substandard, and then liquidated Kingston South Ltd in May 2014 after the Court found in favor of Mr & Mrs Wells, while leaving a mountain of debt.


It would appear, In his attempt to side step the Court and creditors of Kingston South Ltd by doing what he has done, only time will tell on the legality of Mr Rathbone actions, and what consequences the authorities may take, but one could deem this exercise as nothing short of a PR disaster. With all this baggage that the new company is now carrying, with numerous good
and reputable alternative building companies out there, you would have to ask the question, why anyone would actually consider using Kingston South and its management team for their own conversion in the future?

Local chap said...

It looks to me like you have far too much time on your hands and should really focus your energy in to raising and nurturing your young family rather than try too further discredit a business that has "mad a mistake". We are human are we not ? I'm sure as in every case there are two sides to a penny and judging by the way that you are hounding said company could it possibly be that you are a nitemare customer? It is all good spurting this information over the blog but were you a perfect client in every way ? And if all information is true is it a mear coincidence that the post in the guardian web site has been removed? I believe it leaves questions to be answered by both parties I feel that if one job goes "wrong" in 50 your not doing too bad. I hope this foolishness can be resolved soon because I like most other Worcester park locals are bored of hearing about it

Footie Fan said...

here here ... the Word Cup starts soon... :)


Let's all have a beer !!!

steve said...

I'm not bored and find it very interesting this is what a blog is about telling people about this sort of local business. It is also about putting counter opinions (as you have done). To me it is not for others to dictate what can be on this website. If I have work done in the future I may invite this company (or may not) but at least a local blog has kept me up to date.

kingston said...

This blog is very useful to make people aware of things which includes the situation with Kingston South.


It is very unfortunate that some companies go into liquidation, but by the manner in which the management of Kingston South have let this happen, I believe is what has got people so annoyed. No doubt you would be very p***** **f if your build had just been failed by the Council or you were a creditor who had just been told you aint getting paid!


It is interesting that the article has been removed, but while the management of Kingston South state it was inaccurate, they failed to elaborate why. Their own statement on their web site is a joke which raises more questions than it answers.

better things to do said...

"Word Cup "?
Some sort of spelling bee?
I expect you really mean the utterly pathetic inactivity of watching grown men in shorts running around kicking a ball. But you couldn't be bothered to read your piece before posting it.

Guest said...

Until now, I couldn't understand how the Lib Dems could make such an utter shambles in Worcester Park and then end up with more Councillors than they started!
But I think, perhaps 'Footie Fan' has begun to answer the question...

Guest D said...

Any builder can have one job in 50 go wrong, it's the luck of the game. But any builder that undertakes work that will require inspection, without notify the council is a cowboy or incompetent and in either case needs exposing.

Spud said...

well, one thing for sure. It seems this blog has gone much more quiet in general since the elections were concluded. More space between updates....etc. So....I suppose there was a flurry of politically motivated activity going on here before! either that or Worcester Park is a pretty docile place and the election was the most exciting thing to happen for sometime!!

resident said...

Local chap...obviously KS are mates of yours. And not just one mistake here, there are numerous mistakes, like mess up the build, mess up with building control, mess up in court, mess up by busting the company. Why would any company go bust when they were ordered to pay only £5k and possibly another £4.5k pending another hearing? Doesn't make any sense other than they were already going bust. Glad this blog is here!

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