Thursday, 9 May 2013

Ice Cream In Frustration



I have had an email from someone rather frustrated with our seemingly resident ice cream van. They write:

Just wanted to know if anyone else gets irritated by the ice cream van that seems to do the rounds from 6pm. He seems to be around the Browning Avenue area at this time, on my walk home from work and then around Buckland Way between 7-8pm when I'm trying to put my little boy to bed. He seems to park up outside people's houses (previous customers?) and waits until he gets no response. His annoying tunes are so loud and frustratingly always on during when we need quiet-time for my little one to settle.

In the last month or so, I have only seen one family buy from the van. Are there no council restrictions on these things? What child wants a Mr Whippy at 8pm!?!

I must admit to sharing a certain amount of irritation at the very loud ice cream van tune. It’s even worse when you find it stuck in your head for hours having heard it from a different direction every 10 minutes or so during an afternoon not spent inside with ear defenders on.

Of course this is how they earn their living and everyone should have the right to do that. And enough people must use the service it otherwise it would go out of business. But does it really have to be so loud?

We would like to know what you think. Do you have fond memories or a soft (serve) spot for the ice cream van or is it just a source of regular irritation? Over to you dear reader…

41 COMMENTS (Add Yours Now!):

anne said...

i used to have the same problem with an ice cream van when putting my youngster to bed... sorry but to me they are nothing but a nuisance..i feel full sympathy with the parent.

Bob said...

Bloody miserable gits, we get him round ours too. Guy is just trying to make a living

Terri said...

I also agree with you!
It is so very loud and 7-8pm i personally think is far too late for him to be driving around blaring.
It frustrates me every night!

shelokay said...

children learn from their parents.. so show your kid its a nuisance and he will copy.. ignore and show them its just another noise in the world and they wont take any notice! sorry your kid has to sleep.. but guess what... so does everyone.. how many times do you consider the people around you may be shift workers and have just finished a night shift?

its life.. get on with it.. same as the buses that go up and down browning ave and helicopters etc.. just ignore them and accept the world is a quiet place!

shelokay said...

that was of course meant to say "the world isnt a quiet place"

Neil Jacklin said...

He's a nice guy. He's always outside our house at half seven in the evening. This doesn't stop us managing to get our children to sleep at night. Surely life is too short to be moaning about an ice cream vans music. Some people. On another note, anyone fancy opening a charity shop or hairdressers in central road; I think we need some more.........

shelokay said...

hear hear - doesnt stop my kid sleeping either! there are far worse things to worry about and lifes too short!

A said...

8pm is too late in my opinion, why not 5 until 7, instead of 6 til gone 8pm? Surely the vast majority of his potential clientèle are getting ready for bed at this point, it doesn't make business sense!

WP newbie said...

If I've read this post correctly, I don't think the parent is slating the guy for earning a wage but is more concerned about how late he is driving round WP with the volume up. Surely most parents aren't buying ice creams at this time of night!

gg said...

I'm afraid I support the "Get a life" group -SUMO

WP mother said...

Well one year on it doesn't stop my little one sleeping but a year ago when she was new born I was very definitely cursing that van as it did stop her dropping off! But those were stressful sleep deprived times! Now it just makes me smile and appreciate how much easier bedtime is now! I do think its weird, other than adults buying themselves one for pudding after 7 I'm not sure how he makes enough to bother, I guess he has a day job and tries to make a bit extra in the evening

Notablogger said...

Absolutely agree. He arrives outside our house when we are putting our little one to bed and the noise from the music is far too loud. Very very irritating. It's the kind of thing that makes me want to leave Worcester Park and live somewhere quieter, leafier and a bit more 'villagey'.

Jacey26 said...

Well I used to live in Longfellow Road and was only lucky enough to get an ice cream if he could pull in somewhere nearby which was about 3 times a year There's something about that Oyster shell ice cream that cannot be produced in Iceland I'm afraid.. I'm with the "get a life brigade" too I'm afraid. There are far worse things to worry about surely? Also I read the other day the limit for an ice cream van "tune" is 4 seconds. Just enough for one line I'd imagine. Trouble is he'd never come into my road now as its a cul-de-sac and I have old miserable neighbours who'd see him off. Shame as it's part of growing up surely?.

toto and Doris said...

Jesus some of you are really really embarrassingly pathetic

A said...

I personally do not have an issue with the ice cream van, he can come round at midnight if he really wants to...however he comes round at between 7 and 8pm when we are invariably in the process of getting our young daughter to bed, and the noise of his incessant 'greensleeves on acid' jingle is enough of a distraction to disturb this process as she inevitably states that she 'would enjoy an ice cream right about now'. When it gets disturbed enough times it becomes an irritation, which I am not sure that all of you ''get a life'' brigade actually understand.

I do have a life, which is why I would prefer to get my daughter to sleep at a reasonable time so that she isn't grumpy the following day, and my wife and I can actually have an evening!

My daughter would love to get an ice cream from him, if only he came round a bit earlier! Who is out buying ice creams at 8 - 8.30pm on a school night?

jan said...

he parks outside my house at 7pm in kingshill avenue just as im putting my grandson to bed, drives me mad.

Person X said...

He comes down Caverleigh Way about 7pm when we are utting our little one to bed. It's ridiculous.


Also he comes along when it's
a) freezing cold
b) raining
c) windy.


He didn't come along when it was
a) hot & sunny.


Makes sense.


i don't mind it, be he needs to come along earlier, not when kiddies are being put to bed.

Angry siren man said...

Hello everyone please can you stop being so miserable and pathetic, it's an ice cream van!

Michael said...

I appreciate this guy needs to make a living, but the hours he keeps, blaring that (same) music at that volume, come hail or torrential rain, day in day out is becoming less and less tolerable. I regularly work from home and it's absurdly disruptive when you have to put meetings on hold or mute yourself every 10mins. When he's not camped along our street, you can hear him as many as 6-7 streets away. And, as late as 7/8pm at night? How is the chap making any money? I've never seen him with a single customer! Please. If they insist on offering a service no one is especially interested in, even leading into the summer months (!), PLEASE would they at least keep the volume down. If this was any other business persistently blaring their music like this disturbing the peace, the community would be jumping all over the Council.

99 cone said...

Now lets get real - an ice cream van at midnight would be pointless and really annoying -cocoa time in Worcester Park is 9:00.
No need to blaspheme either.

KB said...

Don't have a problem with ice cream man coming round, making a living etc etc
DO have a problem with the time he comes round - come earlier! he would probably sell more ice creams too...

B said...

Wow. First world problems.

somebody sensical said...

Has anybody reading this seen the film Hot Fuzz? this situation seems all a bit too familiar after watching it. Also if an ice cream van coming around and playing music is a big enough concern to rant online about it consider yourself lucky, there are people out there with real problems.

Mr Whippy said...

Reading the other comments, I agree it's not the end of the world and that he's trying to make a living BUT I think the issue here is the time of the evening the ice-cream van comes around blaring the short tune (repeated from beginning each time) and the actual noise it creates. Countless times I have cursed when I am settling my son off to sleep, or enjoying the quiet evening when the van drives into the street and I can hear the tune if I was a whole town away.

If anyone is interested the Control of (noise) Pollution Act has a section on this so if you can get your hands on a sound level meter for reading the decibels then you could do something about it!


.........................


As summer and the longer, warmer months approach, more and more ice-cream van noise seem to be present in our local communities and streets. Noise from ice-cream vans can be unwanted and intrusive.

In some specific instances, where ice-cream vans sound their chimes, this may result in a statutory nuisance. But more often than not, the ice-cream van will move around your area and chime in different locations - therefore, this could be less likely.

Under Section 62 within the Control of Pollution Act, 1974 action may be taken if ice-cream van chimes are sounding after 7pm, or before 12pm (Midday), or if they are sounded at anytime as to cause an annoyance. There is also a Code of Practice on Noise from Ice Cream Van Chimes (1982) which states it's an offence to sound chimes 'so as to cause annoyance'.

The Code of Practice also states:

Chimes should be sounded for no longer than 4 second bursts at a time - an automatic cut out device should be used.

Chimes should not be used more often than once in every 3 minutes.

They cannot be sounded when a vehicle is stationary (and to be properly used should only be audible when a vehicle is approaching a selling area or point).

Chimes cannot be used when they are in sight of other ice-cream vans which are trading nearby.

Vans must not sound chimes when they are within 50 metres of a school (during school hours), any places of worship (on a Sunday or any other days of worship that are recognised), or hospitals.

Vehicles must not sound their chimes any more often than just once, every 2 hours, in the same street.

Chimes cannot be any louder than 80 dB(A) at 7.5 metres.

Ice-Cream van chimes should not be as loudly used in quieter areas or streets which are more narrow than elsewhere.

JdA said...

I had a chat with him one evening, he basically rents the van from the owner in the evening. Which is why he is around during peak times. I agree it is a pain when putting kids to bed, but just live with it.
What i find weird is he is never around on a Saturday or Sunday when the sun is out and when i would treat the kids.

Alex said...

Just timed him - the chimes blare for 9 seconds every time, repeated easily more than once within 3 minutes and just this moment, ran the music twice whilst on the same street, i.e. more than once in 2hrs in the same street.

3 infractions of the above right there. Not that anyone will dare to take action for fear of being dubbed "pathetic" and not "having a life" by those who haven't the ability to form a well-rounded, intelligent opinion, but at least now we know this guy is officially breaking the law.

WP Newbie said...

Surprise surprise, he wasn't around last night. Either hes read this blog or the weather literaaly blew him away!

Slush Puppy said...

I totally agree. If he just turned the volume down, I dont care what time of day he drives around. I dont expect to hear chimes outside each shop I go into, so why should I hear loud piercing musak in my own street? Also you can get a pack of '6 ice-creams in a cone' from Iceland for £1 therefore not spending twice the amount on one cornetto from the van. ;)

A said...

Interesting skewing of logic there....an immigrant attending the mosque doesn't have to put up with it, in the same way as an 'Englishman' doesn't have to put up with it if they are attending a church.


An Englishman in his own home does have to put up with it, in the same way that an immigrant in their own home also has to put up with it.


The rule is the same for everyone. I literally cannot comprehend how you managed to manipulate an ''aren't we hard done by in England'' argument out of that statute.

Karina said...

That's some interesting logic you've got there. Just wondering, are you taking part in a competition to see who can bring up muslims or immigrants in the most ridiculous argument? And I'm sure I don't need to point this out because you're obviously incredibly intelligent, but not all muslims are immigrants (can you imagine it? Muslims calling themselves English because they were born in England! The horror!), and not all immigrants are muslim. Maybe you should pull your racist head out of your racist arse and try looking at how the world actually is instead of how the Daily Mail tells you it is (or is it The Sun for you? It uses smaller words so you'd probably prefer it). The same goes for the 3 people who upvoted you too.

mrpjones said...

Instead of his siren, he should just post his whereabouts on this thread...

Shh Now said...

I rate ice-cream van jingles up there with bag pipes. Shut up!

Spud said...

Its the loudness of the chimes that is annoying. He snakes along the avenues and you can here the chimes from 5 or 6 streets away. If he turned it down and just focused on each street individually, I dont think it would be so annoying. Fair play to him, he has to make a living, but his arrival is rather like the steam ship foghorn resonating across the whole of Worcester Park around 30 times an evening....just turn it down fella, and people will be more accepting...

Dan said...

Just last night, we heard him let the chimes run their full course every 2-3 minutes for half an hour. This guy's taking the p***. He obviously has no respect for anyone, let alone the law. Perhaps time for some action?

guest said...

From October it will be legal for chimes to be played for 12 seconds (vice 4) every 2 minutes (vice 3).
This results from pressure by the ice cream industry.
I wonder what it will mean in practice.

Annoyed said...

I was pleased to find this thread as this ice cream man is driving me mad! He constantly parks outside my house and rings his chimes for much longer that he is allowed to and has woken my napping children on so many occasions. Here is a link to sutton council guidelines including a phone number to make a complaint....https://www.sutton.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=5338

Jamie said...

Um.. wth? Sunday night, just settled the kids and the chimes are back at full pelt. In FEBRUARY.

Jim said...

I applaud the effort, I really do, but honestly, what is the point in raising it with Sutton Council? They do nothing. I have never known them to enforce the policies they advertise. They fob you off with endless nonsensical chat, preferring instead to waste taxpayers time and money at every juncture, than do any actual work. They're a pointless organisation. We'll just have to put up with this individual, along with all the other (far more) jarring disturbances in WP, a once pleasant town, that Sutton Council do zip all about.

Marina said...

This man who you have insulted is my father. who I must say, is a hard working, honest man earning a living unlike some of you scum who have time to insult people on useless blogs like this! he has worked for many years and raised a good family, by ringing the "chimes at full pelt" as you may have said. so whilst you guys are moaning about what seems to be an honest living, please look into what the rules and regulations are of this type of business then please come back with a factual response. until then, find a job, go to work and look after your own family instead of sponging off my fathers tax paying money!

Mary said...

How strange, you are complaining about people insulting your Father and then you proceed to use insults yourself. Calling people " scum" is also insulting people don't you know? And
where have you been for the last 7 months since this blog posting was originally valid? It is now a bit late in the day to begin protesting about the comments.

Andrew (the former WP Blogger) said...

I'm not sure what you thought this comment would achieve. If, indeed, you thought about it at all.

I haven't read any comments on here that have 'insulted' your father. Where are they?

What I have just read, though, is a comment from you which is incredibly insulting to blog readers and commenters.

You seem to assume that just because somebody doesn't like being disturbed by chimes from an ice cream van that they must be scum and out of work spongers. That's a new one on me.

You have also decided that the Worcester Park Blog is 'useless'. Either you are wrong, or you have spotted something that has eluded the thousands of people in Worcester Park read this 'useless' blog every week. But then as out of work spongers, I guess they have nothing better to do.

Finally, I hope you didn't think that your comment on this useless blog would help your father's cause as, if you did, I fear it has just backfired disastrously on you.

If I was a local business owner trying to endear myself to customers in Worcester Park then I would be aghast at a close family member leaping to my defence by irrationally insulting a huge proportion of my local customer base.

Now, anyone for a Mr Whippy?

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