Friday, 21 May 2010

Never Mind The Bollard

A quick question for you, blog readers:

Driving through Worcester Park this evening I watched a most spectacularly incompetent manoeuvre by an HGV as it executed a sharp left turn and mounted the pavement, tearing a metal bollard from the ground.

The lorry lurched unceremoniously over the uprooted bollard before driving off towards Central Road.

I have the registration number of the vehicle, but is this technically a crime or just accidental damage?

To report, or not to report?

15 COMMENTS (Add Yours Now!):

Adrian Short said...

It might technically be a crime but I'd be astonished if the police were interested.

It'd probably be best just to report the damage to Sutton Council or TfL depending on which road it is so that the bollard gets fixed.

FixMyStreet is a good way to do that.

Anonymous said...

Report him and call the company and name them here. Next time it could be a child in a pushchair.

And our taxes pay to fix that.

Tax Payer said...

I agree with Anonymous, many lorries nowadays have a sign on the back saying if you think I am driving safely ring such and such a number so maybe said lorry driver's Company might be well to know that one of their employees has technically left the scene of an accident without reporting it and let the Company foot the bill for repair instead of our taxes.

bear said...

This is a 'fail to stop' accident, report it to the council, they will then deal with the repair and they will also report it to the police, having the reg number will help them.

yiddoboy said...

As a professional driver I have to ask why did the lorry have to bank hard left? Was it due to an idiot parked in an inappropriate place and he could not make the turn otherwise? If this was the case I suggest take legal action against the car owner! If it was down to driver error his company should pay full costs. I have to pay £3k for every accident I am involved in that is my fault to my employer. This makes me a very careful driver.

Anonymous said...

If this is where I think, at the junction on Longfellow Road, then I can understand exactly how it happened. That bollard restricts cars from being able to turn left safely out of the Lincoln Road into Longfellow, so I can imagine a larger vehicle would find it virtually impossible to turn right or left out of Lincoln Road without catching the bollard.

yobboboy said...

I agree with my fellow professional driver’s view of denying any responsibility of our fellow professional driver and taking legal action against the owner of an imaginary parked car or the witness or the bollard that refused to move or anyone else except the professional driver responsible.

If an idiot vehicle, bollard, pram or pedestrian is in an inappropriate place (that is, in a professional driver’s way), then it’s always entirely the idiot’s fault when a professional driver decides to hit them.

As a professional driver, I’m never careful, because no accident is ever my fault and because I know where my employer lives.

As professionals, we own the road, so we can choose to overrule bollards, red lights, pedestrian crossings, yellow lines, bus lanes, parking tickets, pavements etc etc.

Worcester Park said...

Bear - yes, at first I thought it was a 'fail to stop' accident and was horrified when the driver just drove away, but on reflection what was the driver meant to do? Stop at the scene and exchange insurance details with the bollard?

Anonymous - yes, it was at the junction of Lincoln Road and Longfellow Road.

What is beyond me is why the lorry was going down their in the first place? He went from Green Lane into Lincoln Road, left into Longfellow, into Browning Avenue, right into Caldbeck Avenue and then right again onto Central Road (towards the railway bridge)

Why he didn't just exit from Green Lane is beyond me - it would have avoided this whole mess.

Nichu said...

This bollard is always being knocked down. I cross there often and cars often cut the corner and/or don't bother indicating. I'd rather it was a bollard than a pedestrian.

Rick said...

If Sutton Council were to attempt any kind of remedial action, this would require a minimal amount of competence or a little common sense. I therefore respectfully suggest that you are wasting your time even contemplating such a line of action.

At best, I suspect that if you were able to elicit any response, it will most likely be printed in crayons and would merely, if energetically, inform you of a highly rated local business called ‘More Than Bollards’.

Look on the bright side, our Council Tax is the lowest in London out of all 33 London Boroughs! (It’s true! … If you ignore the 25 that are lower).

yiddoboy said...

Dear Yobboboy, I don't own the road! If you have ever witnessed a fatal accident due to a car driver doing something stupid breaking the highway code and a couple of traffic laws you would not be so blase. About twenty years ago before I could drive I saw a mini crushed by a H.G.V. when it cut up the inside whilst the driver swung right to make a left turn. The H.G.V. driver could not see it. My point was that if all road users were a bit more aware as pedestrians, cyclsts, bikers, car, van or lorry drivers these things would be less likely to happen. I have recently had someone nearly do the same to me fortunately everyone was ok. I don't drive a HGV only a 7.5 tonner and I make damn sure that I drive like I was on my driving test every day. I witnessed in court for the lorry driver and it still haunts me. What car drivers don't get is that you cannot turn a large vehicle in the same space you can turn your average focus. You cannot see you have no rear view mirror. When I did an everyday commute to my business by car I didn't get it. I no longer swear much at hopeless road users. If you hear LEARN TO DRIVE! it's me!

Anonymous said...

Section 170 Road Traffic Act 1988

1) This section applies in a case where, owing to the presence of a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road, an accident occurs by which -
(a) personal injury is caused to a person other than the driver of that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(b) damage is caused -
(i) to a vehicle other than that mechanically propelled vehicle or a trailer drawn by that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(ii) to an animal other than an animal in or on that mechanically propelled vehicle or a trailer drawn by that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(iii) to any other property constructed on, fixed to, growing in or otherwise forming part of the land on which the road in question is situated or land adjacent to such land

(2) The driver of the mechanically propelled vehicle must stop and, if required to do so by any person having reasonable grounds for so requiring, give his name and address and also the name and address of the owner and the identification marks of the vehicle.

(3) If for any reason the driver of the mechanically propelled vehicle does not give his name and address under subsection (2) above, he must report the accident.

(4) A person who fails to comply with subsection (2) or (3) above is guilty of an offence.

(5) If, in a case where this section applies by virtue of subsection (1)(a) above, the driver of a motor vehicle does not at the time of the accident produce such a certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is section 165(2) of this Act -
(a) to a constable, or
(b) to some person who, having reasonable grounds for so doing, has required him to produce it, the driver must report the accident and produce such a certificate or other evidence. This subjection does not apply to the driver of an invalid carriage.

(6) To comply with a duty under this section to report an accident or to produce such a certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned in section 165(2)(a) of certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned in section 165(2)(a) of this Act, the driver -
(a) must do so at a police station or to a constable, and
(b) must do so as soon as is reasonably practicable and, in any case, within twenty-four hours of the occurrence of the accident

(7) A person who fails to comply with a duty under section (5) above is guilty of an offence, but he shall not be convicted by reason only of a failure to produce a certificate or other evidence if, within seven days after the occurrence of the accident, the certificate or other evidence is produced at a police station that was specified by him at the time when the accident was reported.

(8) In this section "animal" means horse, cattle, ass, mule, sheep, pig, goat or dog.

[Road Traffic Act 1988, s 170 amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991, Sch 4].

Anonymous said...

Go that extra mile and report to the police and to the company the driver works for. you have gone to the trouble of taking the registration number...well done

Boscombe Road Lady said...

That bollard does my head in, it's such a waste of time, it's a difficult corner for anyone to negotiate as evidenced by the number of times it's been ripped out. It'd be nice if the council didn't bloody bother wasting our council tax to replace it (again!)

shelokay said...

he may well of gone back and filled in an accident report.. he didnt need to stop to do this. Police only need to attend if there is injury. So his firm may have informed the right people and hence why it got repaired so quickly.
also he is totally at fault, if there was a badly parked vehicle that stopped him safely making the turn then he should never have done it!! you cant sue a badly parked car! if you are stuck in a situation where a vehicle is blocking you from passing, you call the police! not barge your way through bringing down what ever is in your way.. i am shocked at the professional drivers remarks over this!
from a professional PCV driver!

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