Wednesday, 17 February 2010

These Green & Pleasant Lanes

I fear any blog post which opens 'Sutton Council has launched a public consultation' may force you to slump over your keyboard, emitting a huge groan of boredom.

However, those still awake may be interested to know about the consultation is looking at improving the streets in and around the Green Lane area of Worcester Park.

As this is a joint project with the neighbouring Borough of Kingston, both councils will be consulting on their respective areas, looking at a range of options for improving the streets (from paving and crossings to lighting, signage, trees and traffic management).

What confuses me most is how (and why) they have chosen this particular area for the project. Kingston's area is within the grey boundary on the map below, with Sutton Council's area within the red boundary.


I can understand Worcester Park station and Central Road being priority areas, but the bulk of the area consists of residential roads. 

Unless I have missed something these roads are no more nor less worthy of attention than any others in Worcester Park, so quite why they have been singled out for special treatment (and what that special treatment is going to be) remains to be seen. 

Moreover would public money not be better spent on improvements that the whole of Worcester Park can benefit from and not just a randomly selected few?

You can read more about Sutton Council's plans here and, if you are so inclined, complete their online questionnaire about your priorities and concerns. 

37 COMMENTS (Add Yours Now!):

Chris said...

I'm not sure why they've chosen this area but we received a leaflet from Kingston Council last week telling us that they're going to improve the street lighting in Pembury Avenue. I wonder if that's anything to do with it?

axlrocky said...

ive said it before and ill say it again - only a monorail will really put WP on the map and solve the traffic choas! - Monorail, Monorail - MONORAIL!

BenjyP said...

Having seen the crappy and pointless "improvements" they have started making on Greenlane regarding the pavements, I think I would have preffered the money back as a Kingston taxpayer.

I couldn't agree more with Axlrocky, Brockway, North Haverbrook and Ogedenville all have Monorails and it put them on the map.

Monorail! Monorail - MONORAIL!

Alion Lincoln Road said...

I am a reletively new Worcester Parkite having moved to the area ( and Lincoln Road ) last Sept.
I received said questionnaire this week and I will put on it what I will say here..... that is.......
1/ I really don't see the necesssity for any "improvement" (one of the reasons I bought my lovely little house is the character,integrity and layout of the streets off and including Green Lane)
2/ Is this some subtle and incidious connection to the expansiion of The Hamptons as they march on and in preperation for the expected influx of traffic etc.?
3/ As for improved connection to the Station well what's there already is fine as far as I am concerned.

LEAVE WELL ALONE!!

James said...

I suspect it has to do with the dismal street lighting. If I were a slender girl - as opposed to the thumping great chap I am -walking along Green Lane at night I would definitely not feel safe.

axlrocky said...

cap duely dothed to you for getting the wildly random Simpsons quote BenjyP!

@JasonJHunter said...

I've been reading the comments above and I think I have to agree; there is a need for a little more streetlighting in that area, but 400 thousand pounds worth? I think not. I've contacted the council to see if there is a way of re-allocating some of these funds to a more useful / productive investment that will benefit a wider group of Worcester Park residents - maybe extending the SCOOT traffic light project through to Old Malden ... any constructive suggestions as to where people think the funds should be spent are currently being welcomed...

Amylena said...

Completed unrelated but wanted to share my embarassment that I had to Google the three towns mentioned to see if they really did have a monorail.

D'oh.

BenjyP said...

Hey Amylena

As Nelson Muntz would say.... "Ha-ha"

Anonymous said...

I wonder if it's connected to that area being prone to flooding. Having sold off the flood plains for people to build houses on maybe the councils are trying to protect themselves against any backlash come the inundation

Alex said...

Years ago, Central Road was a dual carriageway, having two lanes, rather than one (mid-late 1980s?). Our brilliant local council came up with the idea of reducing it to one, apparently with a grand plan to ease traffic congestion.

Anyone who used the road said that was barking mad! But after all the usual consultations our wonderful, consultative council refused to listen and duly reduced 2 lanes down to 1, regardless of what anyone thought. They successfully doubled the length of Central Road traffic jams, at our very great expense.

Fast-forward 20-odd years and hey presto! Here we go again! I'm half expecting our wonderful council to admit that taking one traffic lane away didn't work as planned, so the cunning new idea is to take away the other lane as well! (At great expanse and subject to the usual 'la-la-la, we're not listening' consultations).

Andrew B said...

In keeping with Sutton Council's policy of change for change's sake and "let's rip out every odd and venerable corner of Worcester Park that we can find still surviving", ill-thought-out works to this area will ruin its character. The "lane" is already a shadow of its recent former character.
A few years back, they removed - just for the sake of it - some old iron railings with intertwined trees from the start of Green Lane, while "opening out" the piece of land on the Sutton side of the station. It's all municipal vandalism, spoiling these last hidden vestiges of old Worcester Park.
What most residents want is drastically lower council tax and drastically fewer crackpot schemes (step forward the latest, pointless Sutton High Street refurbishment - again !).
ARE YOU READING THIS SUTTON COUNCIL ???

axlrocky said...

i beleive the lib dem fashionista only read if we accuse them of dodgy campaigning - please worcester park, kingston and sutton side, its time to end the lib dem stranglehold - vote vote vote in May - (and not lib dem) - Burstow and Davey out!

Rick said...

Maybe the expensive white elephant noticeboard outside Pizza Express can be utilised by KT4 residents to give Sutton Council KT4's feedback?

(As opposed to being utilised by Sutton Council, to tell KT4 what feedback Sutton Council likes).

@JasonJHunter said...

I probably shouldnt as this isnt the place for electioneering, but if I might comment in short reply to axlrocky; Worcester Park currently has 3 Conservative councillors (not LibDem) - none of whom I believe live in Worcester Park. In fact one of the Conservative cllrs that was elected in Worcester Park cares so much about the people who voted him in that he is appearing currently on Conservative literature being distributed in Nonsuch.

I totally agree with axlrocky: VOTE VOTE VOTE

But if you want real action and not just words and you want to have a real voice then vote for LibDems that actually live in the area and care about what happens.

nuff said, I shall await axl's response and stick to the topic for any future posts :-)

Rick said...

It's very interesting that JasonJHunter should maintain that local councillors should be strictly local. Obviously he's not local enough to recall the recent local controversy of Lib Dem councillor Gerry Jerome's by-election.

Unlike others, the Lib Dem candidate wasn't actually a resident within the ward (or I should say, 'our' ward). However, I believe Mr. Jerome is now truly local, he's now the parliamentary candidate - well, I say local, he is if you live in the Croydon North constituency.

No Jason J Hunter, here's not the place for electioneering and you're certainly no good at it. But if you want to entertain the local voters and help lose the election for your party masters then please do keep writing...

The Colonel said...

Howdy yall, Im a long time resident of WP and if ya'll good people vote for me in spring I'll make sure there is better access to KFC to all residents of this mighty fine town. Council tax will be put to better use by driving down the cost of fried chicken. The best way to improove green lane and make sound use of that 400k is to obviously build another KFC, perhaps a drive through. I trust I can count on your votes in May

Anonymous said...

Just to respond to some of the comments above on funding/Council tax etc. The funding for this scheme (as with almost all transport schemes in the Borough) doesn’t come from the Council taxpayers pot, but directly from Transport for London (TfL). The money cannot therefore be diverted to other uses or returned to Council taxpayers as suggested above. If the Council doesn’t bid for this money it will simply go to other Boroughs or back to TfL, so residents won’t benefit at all.
However, from next year TfL are drastically (and unfairly in my view) cutting the amount of transport funding going to small outer London Boroughs like Kingston and Sutton, instead diverting it to Boroughs such as Wandsworth and of course the Olympic Boroughs. So as this is probably the last transport funding WP may see for a while, I’d make the most of it by responding positively to the consultation! I actually think it’s a good thing that some investment is going into WP as it normally gets ignored being on the edge of both Boroughs, and I do think Green Lane and Central Road would benefit from some improvements.

PS The comments about voting out Burstow and Davey are irrelevant here as they are both Members of the National Parliament so have no formal input into schemes such as these that are decided on by local Councillors. As requested above I will be voting for the Colonel.....

Anonymous said...

As a Hamptons resident I can assure you that this has nothing to do with us.

As someone who uses green lane, however, I can see many reasons why they are looking to spend money here. It is a road that falls between the two boroughs and seems to be a priority for neither. The street needs better lighting, it needs bins, it needs better management of the green spaces and maybe some benches etc.

I think anything that makes it easier for the slothful to walk to the station and or school and or shops would be a realy benefit.

So don't widen the roads, improve the pavements and bring in the Monorail.

Grant said...

Do you think £400,000 would be enough to get rid of all the pigeons living breeding and *****ing under the railway bridge. I for one would not be sorry to see the back of them and their droppings.

Anonymous said...

On the Sports Club side of Green Lane, the pavement needs widening, the hedges & trees need a severe pruning, adequate street lighting needs to be installed and a red route needs to be created. The Pavements around Pembury & elsewhere need to be replaced and the large trees need to be felled and replaced by more suitable ornamental types. Basic easy peasy stuff. Also South West Trains need to give the Station a complete makeover

Alion said...

NO NO NO Anon (comment on 23rd Feb).
The native,established trees should NOT be felled and replaced with "more suitable" (??) "ornamental types" - how ridiculous!!
YES by all means prune and manage what's already there.
The pavements are wide enough and widening would only reduce the grass verges even more!
It is "GREEN" lane after all!!
Think I will start a new campaign - Keep Green Lane Green, any one want to join ?

Alion

Anonymous said...

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

If we want to combat the urban heat effect we have to maintain the large canopy trees. They don't have to be native but the do need a large canopy to provide shade and cool the city.

And why fell perfectly healthy trees? madness

Alion said...

Glad you agree Anon of today re. trees
Want to join my campaign?

Alion

Nichu said...

Yes, keep Green Lane green indeed. A number of trees were cut down last year, which means it now looks a bit of a mess with all the graffiti clearly visible. I don't think the pavements need widening either, but it would help if people weren't allowed to park at the station end of Green Lane during working hours (obviously trying to dodge paying at the station car park). Basically the area could do with a bit of a tidy up (and maintained thereafter) but I don't see how more major changes would help.

James said...

What I would like to see is Green Lane swept more frequently too along its whole length rather than just the bit by Central Road. At the corner of Green Lane and Lincoln Road there is a bramble bush that is constantly full of plastic bags and beer cans and they usually remain untouched for weeks until I complain to the council yet again.

One of the houses along Green Lane has two rusting hulks of a Mercedes and a Rover sitting on the lawn which give the casual observer a fleeting impression of being in Mogadishu. Can't they be forcibly removed anyone or do we just have to wait for the Earth to consume them?

With a little effort and money Green Lane could be made to look a whole lot more attractive rather than the crepuscular, littered embarrassment that it is.

Anonymous said...

The house that has the two rusting hulks of cars in the garden used to have a couple more cars rusting away up until a couple of years ago, when they vanished.

Better lighting is needed in Green Lane though and regular cleaning too. The bushes by the river that spill on to the pavement need trimming back a lot more often as sometimes I think I need a machete just to get to the station!

@jasonjhunter said...

Please can we keep the bramble bushes at the corner of Lincoln Road and Green Lane - the blackberrys there in season are sweeter (and much harder to get) than the ones on the cycle path to Motspur Park.

miss giggles said...

I totally agree but thought I was stupid thinking it!

Anonymous said...

Of course it is for The Hamptons, come on people, don't be delusional. The council, in the middle of a government funding crisis, is not going make a few suburban roads nice for the sake of it.

Be sure that St James's Place, as a FTSE 350 company, will have some very powerful shareholders and government contacts. I, for one, am not unhappy. It simply improves the area and raises its profile (one would hope, and perhaps make my morning commute quicker).

KBS, A(nother) South African

Anonymous said...

I also received this consultation notice and initially thought - what's the point it's fine! But like the other poster said above it's TFL funds and I pay them enough so if they want to donate funds to improve the area near the station I agree wholeheartedly. I definitely think the lighting is under standard in Green Lane, as a (small) lady I don't much like walking down there in the dark after about 8pm when it's quieter.

Also if they put another entrance to the station further down Green Lane that would be nice and save 5 mins off my commute in the morning....every little helps.

I've heard Mum's have issue with the pavement width for buggys at certain points which I think is a worthy use of the money too.

Jean Lambart said...

Please, Please can KFC be moved to Outer Mongolia as we are all fed up with the litter which is mostly thrown from vans parked as the drivers are too lazy to take it home with them !!

Andrew said...

I am one of the culprits......haha

Guest said...

Rubbish is nothing to worry about if the planning permission for the mosque goes ahead, I think people need to realise the urgency and seriousness of the mosque proposal, Worcester park will change forever...........it will become Muslim suburbia.......waitrose car park will probably be full of worship people.........I can't believe people don't realise what this will do to the town.........well it won't be a town will it it will be Worcester Islam park!!!!!!

Clean Streets said...

Andrew, in that case, do us all a favour and follow the KFC to Outer Mongolia


Ta.

Guest of WP said...

Just to point out that more than one person is using the ID 'Guest' on this blog. Whilst I wrote extensively in opposition to the Mosque recently, I did not write the above comment. From now on, to avoid confusion, I'll post under the ID 'Guest of WP'


I certainly agree with the Waitrose car park issue and the effect on the whole town will be seriously detrimental, particuarly if you have a car and/or need to somewhere to park near a shop , or have a local job or own a local business. Whether or not the other predictions are right, nobody can say for sure.


However I am sure it didn't escape most readers' attention that the ranting racist known (laughably as 'Free Thinker') wrote about the benefit of a mosque 'in the long term'.


Since the only identifiable effects are negative for the 9920 non-attendees of KT4, we can only speculate what long-term change(s) she hopes the 80 or so KT4 petitioners will force upon the other 99.2% of residents.


Let's hope it doesn't come to that and Cllr. Roger Roberts finds that elusive backbone of his... before he gets kicked out of another local seat.

Andrew said...

Nah i will just stay at Brinkley

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