Thursday, 23 July 2009

Restau-want?

'A Very Anonymous Local Individual' writes:

"I am somebody very familiar with the Worcester Park area and may have an opportunity to take on a restaurant in the area.

My question is this -I appreciate the amount of eateries locally, however what kind of restaurant would make people locally and far and wide come out to eat and drink?

What does Worcester Park need??

I feel really passionate about creating local jobs and offering a community feel and would like this thought about also.

You are local people. What would be a welcome addition to the area?"

It's hard to think what else there might be a need for in Worcester Park (other than a direct replacement for Silks!). Perhaps something Spanish, Greek or French for a change?

Your ideas on what might be missing from the culinary map of KT4 would be welcomed below.

65 COMMENTS (Add Yours Now!):

Barbados said...

Spanish please - plenty of Tapas and a beer garden to eat Al Fressco in the summer months, and a spot for smokers. Thanks

Anonymous said...

french with lots of fresh fish please

Anonymous said...

macdonalds and a subway and a rib bar.and well done worcester park for another well thought of annoymous comment.

Anonymous said...

A Korean restuarant would be great. There are lots in New Malden, but none in WP at the moment.

Grandison Road Chick said...

Greek or Spanish would be great or even British! We definetly don't need another Italian. Also good prices and good freshly cooked food with friendly service. Too many of the pubs are cheap nasty food and then silks was trying to be too much. Sort of place where if you can't be bothered to cook you are happy to drop into on the way home from work and it wont cost you a fortune, with the sort of atmosphere that would welcome a family or friends group. For example the set menu at Aroma is a great deal. Looking forward to seeing what happens.

Anonymous said...

spanish would be great... or something like Jimmy Spice in Epsom which does a mix of everything.. in fact a buffet style eatery would be the best thing...

lunchtimes would be busiest.. and there are no buffet places in the area at the moment either.

Anonymous said...

A decent American diner, akin to Ed's, but that is definitely nothing like 'American Way' in Cheam.

Hungry said...

I would like to suggest a fish or a vegetarian restaurant. However if this anonymous individual 'may have the opportunity to take on a restaurant' then surely they'd open one in the culinary field they are experienced in.

The Colonel said...

Another KFC

Anonymous said...

Since the demise of the wonderful Zanders in North Cheam, it would be nice if we had a Greek or Spanish restaurant.

Anonymous said...

spanish sounds good but I would also like to see a Thai restuarant nearer home

Anonymous said...

Am I really the only person that thinks a great restaurant serving good British food wouldn't go amiss?!!

Ian Morris said...

I'd be up for a proper Greek restaurant, with plenty of Zorba's dance.

Andrew B said...

Steer clear of fusion; Silks failed for a reason. I think that WP is really in need of a good Thai restaurant. The only reason people will travel to WP for food would be for better quality food than they can get in their own neighbourhood.

Make sure you have a few high chairs and some colouring pencils or helium balloons and you will have the family market too.

Offer a delivery service to WP area and you will plug a gap in the market.

Like Indian food, Thai offers good veggie options. I don't feel that's the case with Spanish, Greek or French.

So focus the product and make it stand out, widen the target audience and make it good value.

I would do it myself if I had more inclination to change career :) good luck!

Anonymous said...

I don't think you can say Silks failed. I think it was open in total for 7 yrs which is pretty good going in this day and age.

I'd go tapas.... Think that would be very popular!!

Anonymous said...

i found silks food nice but the resturant was a bit 1980's styled for me

Anonymous said...

Hungry,

Perhaps we do know what restaurant we want to open and perhaps we just wanted to canvass opinion on our business idea before we set the wheels in motion....

Hungry said...

Anonymous

I'm sure you do know what restaurant you want to open, but perhaps i was just adding to the debate rather than just saying what cuisine type i like.

Are you suggesting you'd not open any restaurant at all f it wasn't what the hungry masses wanted?

I do wish you well in your venture. Anyone determined to open a new business and make a go of it in our rapidly declining area full of charity shopsand hairdressers, deserves a chance and big support from the local population.

'Build it, and they will come'

Kathie said...

I'd really like a branch of Body Shop. I'm getting a bit low on coconut body creme and it's such a fag to travel to Kingston or Sutton.

BenjyP said...

Korean or Thai

Anonymous said...

Thai please - something that offers as good as food as the Organ and Dragon in Ewell or Thai Kitchen in Cheam.

Anonymous said...

Hopefully the new restaurant won't be a place where you have to shout across the loud music to talk!

Minigee said...

French please, but simple French, not posh and fussy. A really good bistro type place would be lovely. And the French are brilliant with vegetables, so there could be plenty of veggie options.

den said...

French Bistro would be brilliant

Bob said...

What's the address of the Thai Kitchen in Cheam? I hadn't come across them before. And do they do delivery to WP?

I can't agree about French and veg. My experience of travelling with a vegetarian on France is that there was only one option - goats cheese salad

Worcester Park said...

Bob - the Thai restaurant in Cheam has its own website: http://www.regionalthai.co.uk/

Have never tried it myself yet, but if you beat me to it do let me know what it is like.

I also agree with you about the French and veg - mention vegetarianism in France and you are likely to get a strange look, and occasionally an omlette (served alongside a very strange look).

Steve H said...

I agree with the Colonel. A restaurant serving some form of deep fried chicken, seasoned with a proprietary blend of herbs and spices, is just what we need.
Or a Thai takeaway....

Anonymous said...

greek. lovely

Paul said...

Something more "up-market". There are loads of take-away choices, and a decent range of modestly priced, good honest food types such as La Mamma, but nothing that aspires to top cuisine and a well though out wine list.

Anonymous said...

A good Thai restaurant would be fantastic, there isn't really one in the area and the Regional Thai Taste place in Cheam doesn't deliver.

Rebecca Edwards said...

If you do open a new restaurant can i work there? there is no work in worcester park at all and im in desperate need of a job!!

Amylena said...

I would personally have to say Spanish. Good food, lots of Sangria, a more comprehensive Tapas menu than the La Tasca chain and Flamenco dancing!

Or a 1950's diner, with tables in old cars like in Pulp Fiction (one day, I will recreate that place, complete with Marilyn Monroe and Buddy Holly lookalikes!)

Not Thai, that's what everyone is saying, isn't that a bit generic?!

Anonymous said...

I can't fault the drive and passion behind this idea, but I'm not sure opening a restaurant in the depths of a recession is a wise move. Firstly, nationwide, restaurants and pubs are closing faster than they are opening.

Secondly, locally, there are already a multitude of fast food outlets and more expensive restaurants, so any prospective new entrant will have to offer something different - a niche market.

Is there really a viable profit in a niche market? Looking at the number of empty units or charity shops in the High Street, clearly, even established businesses are having trouble with breaking even, let alone new ones making a profit.

Lastly, whilst numerous writers may welcome a new restaurant with open arms and enthusiatically pledge their support, I have a feeling that when it actually comes to putting their hands in their pockets, this support will simply vanish.

Possibly this is a great idea but at the wrong time? I would hate to see it fail due to the current faultering economy. How about returning to it once stability and confidence returns?

Andrew said...

Lol, good advice anonymous...If everyone thought like that, the recession would perpetuate until literally everyone is out of work! Dont you see that it takes new business, and risks, to get us all out of this financial mess! I say good luck to the proprietor in whatever new business he opens, its what this area needs! Not more charity shops or bookmakers!

Anonymous said...

Andrew, I agree with both you and anonymous, however anon has a point when he says 'I have a feeling that when it actually comes to putting their hands in their pockets, this support will simply vanish'. I have seen this happen so many times.

I hope whatever the proprietor decides, it becomes a success for him. Just remember, Pizza Express and Zizzi's are 2 of the most flourishing businesses out there because of their 2 for 1 offers and £10 menu offers. I work in a busy and large office environment where these offers fly around and people are definitely using them in this so called 'credit crunch'. I think someone has mentioned it above that whatever they decide, it has to be great food at a great value?

Anonymous said...

“Lol, good advice anonymous...If everyone thought like that, the recession would perpetuate until literally everyone is out of work! Dont you see that it takes new business, and risks, to get us all out of this financial mess! I say good luck to the proprietor in whatever new business he opens, its what this area needs! Not more charity shops or bookmakers!”

Err, no Andrew, I don’t see. However, I do see that your confident advice is exactly the carefree approach to business and risk (that is, other people's businesses and other peoples’ risk) that until recently, was routinely handed out by banks … Yes, those very same banks whose unsound, discredited advice was the root cause of the financial mess that we’re all now in! If everyone thought like that, the recession would certainly perpetuate until literally every business has drowned in an ocean of toxic debt. But never mind Andrew, unlike the proprietor, you’ve got nothing to lose so feel free to sit back and lol.

Homeless Bum said...

I'd like to see a soup kitchen open up

Anonymous said...

The most viable option would be a NOODLE BAR similar to WAGAMAMA or MISO.

Having read the various comments here I would say that Worcester Park already has it fair share of sit down formal restaurants.

What Worecester Park is missing is a relatively fast, semi casual place where you can get decent healthy food, open till late and offers takeaway.

I believe such a place would be extremely profitable.

Anonymous said...

So, what we really, really want is something up market and aspiring to top cuisine but not posh or fussy and competing on price with Pizza Express 2 for 1 deals.

Stylistically, it should be a family friendly American diner with Greek and Flamenco dancing and Marilyn Monroe and Buddy Holly look-alikes. But, at the same time, it should be a quiet, French bistro.

It needs to specialise in just Spanish and French and Korean and Greek and British and American and Thai and Indian dishes, or to put it another way, everything but Italian.

A fresh fish/vegetarian/deep fried chicken menu is required, plus tapas, a beer garden, a delivery service, a smokers’ area and it needs to be both a takeaway and not a takeaway at the same time – not forgetting, it needs a body shop counter.

Sounds simple enough – crack on!

Paul said...

39 posts so far - says to me that there's a fair bit of interest.

Anonymous (the one who likes the idea of a noodle bar): You mention that Worcester Park has it's fair share of formal sit down restaurants, but I can't think of one. I'd be grateful for any good tips.

Anonymous (The one who doesn't agree with Andrew): Better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all.

Andrew said...

Anoymous...I actually do run a fairly successful business, and i certainly didn't make it successful by sitting back worrying and whining that nobody will actually come and spend their money. If business was a 100 percent cert that it will be successful, and everyone will use it, then literally everybody would own one. It does take risk to open a business, calculated risk. Im not advising anyone to throw their money around while using up every ounce of equity that is available to them, but i am saying that you should try.

I'm fed up with idiots saying that failed business and business debt is the root cause of the recession...it isnt. Its everyday people who rack up 10k on a credit card just because they can, and then run out of money to pay it back.

So thanks for your rant, now bugger off and sit down to spectate on life a bit more, and leave it to the people with some balls to do the doing.

Andrew S said...

Greek food is great and I love the music and dancing. It could be a lot of fun.

Andrew B said...

To Andrew (business owner)

The cause of the recession is not 10k credit card bills, it is removal of credit lines to businesses following a global credit crunch and banking collapse... following unsustainable and profligate lending by greedy banks.

Well done on keeping a successful business going througj these times.

Andrew said...

Maybe it was flippant to say the recession was caused by 10k credit cards, but you said it yourself, it was caused by the global credit crunch, and what was the credit crunch caused by?? Bad debt. Whether that's 10k credit cards, or huge American mortgages, its all the same. People stopped paying it back to the banks!

And thank you.

Anonymous said...

Given the current economic climate, the multitude of both established, local café/restaurant competitors (including multiple chains with deep pockets) and the recent poor record of success of similar, local, small businesses (i.e. Bertie's and Silks), I believe the decision to set up a brand new restaurant in Worcester Park, at this time, and make it a success, will be extremely difficult. With the exception of perhaps the undertaker, virtually every business in Worcester Park has suffered a decline to some degree, whether old or new.

For the new proprietor to launch and survive in this difficult market, during this most difficult period, he or she will require exceptional talent, tenacity and an outstanding, researched 'vision', (the appearance of the original post implies they currently lack the latter), but even with all these in place, in the current climate, it simply may not be enough. Local people obviously won't eat any more because there is an extra local restaurant. To survive, he or she will have to 'poach' and retain customers from established businesses.

Certainly the approach of "not worrying whether people will actually come and spend their money" sounds like the sort of advice that any businessperson can well do without. Such an apathetic approach, would seem a sure-fire way of losing customers and eventually, losing the business itself. If Andrew, does run a business (as he claims), he should have some idea how difficult it will be to make such a new business viable. 'Balls' are indeed required – but no amount of 'bull' is a substitute.

If the proprietor decides to go with their idea, I hope many residents will support them, though from experience, well-intended initial support is not necessarily followed through with something more tangible. I trust that if and when that time comes, those enthusiastic authors and especially Andrew, as an alleged 'doer', will actively 'do' more to support this endeavour than just 'spectate on life', contribute irate nonsense and then, as he puts it, 'bugger off'.

The idea behind the original article was presumably to provide an opportunity for the local community to offer their views and opinions on what they thought of the proposal to open a new restaurant in Worcester Park. In contrast, Andrew apparently seeks to promote a PR campaign for financial institutions, describe his revulsion for both credit card holders and Americans with mortgages and flippantly relates his own lack of business acumen. Perhaps a better outlet for his absurd and irrelevant opinions is on his own blog, where he can share his views with himself and perhaps even one or two likeminded, bored, conspiracy theorists?

Andrew said...

Congratulations on quoting me out of context to make me look like a fool. If my comments are irrelevant then why base your post on them? My outlook on life is simply less cautious than some, but it doesn't mean i deserve to be made to look a fool or a novice. I'm not a soap-box ranter, i was trying to put another side of an argument forward, that was become increasingly negative. If you don't agree, fine, just say so instead of trying belittle people. I've got nothing against Americans with mortgages, or people with credit, you think i don't have credit?? My problem is the decisions people make in gaining credit that is far beyond their means.

I personally think there are gaps in the market around here for a restaurant, but you're right, it would mean stealing custom from established places, but if this person puts the effort in to make whatever venture they choose of an exceptional quality at a reasonable enough price, i don't see it failing. People are still eating out, just walk down the high street this evening and you'll see that. And the fact is that the choice is limited unless you really cant eat anything other than Italian, Chinese or Indian. Something new and exciting, and most importantly different, will do really well here.

The mainline train stops here from all across London, from Waterloo to Epsom and Guildford, thousands of people pass through Worcester park every week, why shouldn't Worcester Park be somewhere that people will travel to to eat, rather than it just being for the locals? The new proprietor needs something classy, not priced out of the market, visible and fresh to get people to actually come to Worcester park, instead of just driving or passing through. Especially as signs are that the recession just may be turning around, now might be a perfect time to try!

BenjyP said...

Anonymous, the ranting one! I like the cut of your jib, why don't you name yourself, you seem very keen to exhibit your views, yet do so in a clandestine manner. Secret BNP voter? (perhaps too articulate for that, although certainly hate-filled enough to want to vent your vitriol on a blog filled with positive up beat chums of WP)Non WP Resident? Hamptonite? or even worse, perhaps a resident of Browning Avenue?

Rick said...

Greetings BenjyP, ranting anonymous here. In answer to your suggested locations, in all honesty, none of the above, but I've lived in good old KT4 since the summer of '79.

As for ID, well since I started my first comment here as anon, I thought I had better continue with it. Since then, elsewhere on the blog, I have used this ID. (Yes, predictably to have another rant, but Mr. WP himself has since publicly approved of that one, so I guess all is forgiven there). [It’s under ‘Not For Profit?’]. Have a good weekend all.

CheamCommoner said...

I see we're back to the old WP slanging matches... I really did miss those lol... just so as my comment isn't totally irrelevent to this string, i'd just like to add my weight behind the MISO suggestion. Having tried this chain before, I can heartily recommend and would defeninately use it if it was in WP

Captain America said...

You're all ranting buffoons.

Anonymous said...

I think a Gourmet Burger Kitchen (GBK) would do well. Have been a fan of these since the days they had a relatively small shop in clapham and opening one in WP I feel will fill a 'gap' in the local market as mentioned by Andrew above. Although essentially a burger restaurant, they do seem to aim themselves as an 'up-market' burger place. A.

lee said...

i have often thought that a healthy food/salad bar would do very well, but unfortuantly not in worcester park, but maybe in kingston.

Anonymous said...

What WP needs is a lap dancing club to bring in all the punters in from far and wide!

Larry Flynt

Anonymous said...

Good Luck with your project!!!MEXICAN....Restaurant and Take Away. Everyone I know loves Mexican but the nearest Good Mexican Take Away is in Vauxhall. Mexican...Mexican.....Mexican

Jacey said...

Oh, do I take it that no-one rates the Mexican at North Cheam then? Have always wanted to try it. Opinions welcome.

Anonymous said...

I have tried it not too long ago. It was okay.

Hunger Strikes said...

So a new restaurant is now opening where Silks once was. Are we to assume then that the owner of Silks asked us for our opinions of the type of cuisine we WP mortals might like to eat before deciding to ignore important consumer research, opt for reopening under a new name, slim down the fusion menu to just italian food, and see how it goes knowing that there are many more Italian food establishments?

Unbelieveable.

In all honesty I would have liked to see a fishmongers open on the high street somewhere to compliment the 'baker'(sic), greengrocer and butcher.

Local Foodie said...

If you want something different and great value.....a stone's throw from Worcester Park (nearer to Stoneleigh) is Topo Gigio Restaurant (196 Kingston Road,KT19 0SF, 02087868063)

Every time I have been there the food was great and the service was very good....even when they were really busy.

Great selection of food and wine (form lobster, wild boar to fresh pasta) and how reasonable the price is....and that the Grissini, bread rolls, olives and garlic slice are FREE (no cover charge)

Also, It's good to see a restaurant using real linen and appropriate cutlery ie fish knives. etc

Even the extensive 3 course fixed menu portions are very large....with the smoked samon starter being served on a full size plate....especially at a price of around £12.75 + service....you can't grumble at that!

I know this sounds a bit like an advert, but it's a great little place, which deserves the business (would hate to see it go the way of Silks).....can't praise it enough MK

mrs thai said...

Hi guys, I know this one's a bit old but we run a thai restaurant half an hour away and would love to open one in worcester park as we live not too far away... How do wp residents fancy thai in amongst all this italian (and I am a lover of italian food so not a criticism!)

Anonymous said...

mrs thai,sounds a great. idea. bring a bit of 'class' to WP.

Gobbo said...

Hi Mrs Thai

I think a Thai restaurant in WP would be fantastic. It would make a change from all the Italian, Chinese and Indian places.

Plus Thai has to be my favourite.

nikko said...

Yes please Mrs Thai. When can you open???

Anonymous said...

I agree, a Thai would be great for the High Street

poppie said...

Mrs Thai, it will be a pleasure to welcome you to WP. I love Thai food, it so much more healthy than Chinese.

Moonlight said...

I love Thai food too. I think as long as it's fresh food and good ingredients and good dishes of course, it will be very popular.

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